[madpickle]

Thank you so much! I could've sworn it said 10 minutes when I tried it out. I have updated the abilities to reflect your observations

EDIT: I have updated the guide to reflect your observations. Thank you!

[NN666]

I've read through the whole guide and I must say, good job. I think it's a touch subjective, but you did warn us!

With that in mind, I'm not going to contradict your opinions, but I will try and help you fill in some blanks:

1. I'd remove the mentions of '2-piece combo' etc. This is simply because the number of strikes increases with most combos, up to 5 strikes for most of our main ones at level 80. It's a minor point I know, but I thought I'd mention it.

2. Cleave?

3. Demonic Link - The bonus applies to both physical and magical fire damage, so it *should* apply to all aspects.

4. Spreading Flames - You are correct, the combo affected is Burn to Death.

5. Last but not least, I thought I'd help with the next tier of Avatar (and finish the one you started). Don't feel compelled to use these, I just felt like sharing.

Demonic Leech - Augments the Mind, Body and Spirit Wrack combo by leeching some of the mana burned. Potentially the cornerstone of any Demonic Fortitude builds. (Note, I'm hopeful that they improve the returns on Demonic Fortitude)

Rage of Xotli - Increases the damage of your Hell Strikes combo. The improvement is noticeable, even at lower levels.

Mindless Brute - Increases your hitpoints greatly at the cost of a small but permanent decrease in magical damage. Scales with level and should be integral to any deep-Avatar builds.

Flame of Xotli - Increases the damage of your Burn to Death combo. In the mid-level range I have not noticed any significant DPS increase.

Reaching Flames - Increases radius of PBAoE component of your Pillar of Infernal Flame combo. The radius gain is noticeable and now encompasses large groups.

Demonic Supplication - Grants a new spell that increases the duration of your next Desecrating Essence or Avatar of Xotli spell. This is useful for PvP, but less so for the casual PvE encounter.

Hope I helped in some way.

[AyameArai]

Originally Posted by madpickle Demonic Link "Increases the fire damage bonus bestowed by the Desecrating Essence spell." Grade: C I don't know which fire damage bonus it alludes to, as the Desecrating Essence (the demon form) has an AoE pulse that does fire damage, and a melee/magic damage bonus that does it also. It might be one, or all of them - who knows? Unfortunately, it suffers from the same problems as many of the other abilities do. They either scale exponentially (and, thus, I have not witnessed the usefulness of them yet) or they aren't balanced properly. Roots of Hell "Increases weight of the character when polymorphed,making them have the same weight as full plate at max rank." Grade: B+ I hate knockbacks. There's nothing worse than seeing that combo fail because you got knocked on your ass by a priest. However, this ability only seems to work when you're in demon form. I don't yet know to what effect the weight of a full plate will have on your knockback chance. Nevertheless, it only works in Demon form. I've been told that later on the knockback reductions conferred by this ability is critical to the success in PvP. At this point I have not had an opportunity to try out the rest of the feats in this tree. But I will endeavor to try them out at some point in the future

As for those feats Demonic link adds a flat fire damage bonus for melee & magic granted by the demon form. The actual boost can be noticed by examining the desecrating essence spell after getting the feat, which should make you notice the added bonus.

As for the Roots of Hell, the feat description is more of a flavor thing and the skill actually adds a flat knockback resistance bonus to your demon form. Up to +75 Knockback resist on rank 3. Also the feat works in same manner as above - so you can seee the added bonus when you examine the desecrating essence spell when you have the feat.

[AyameArai]

As for Touch of Hell, it gives debuff that does -1.0% Slashing and Fire Invulnerability on rank 1 and keeps growing by 1% for each rank. Ending up with -5.0 % Slashing and Fire Invulnerability on rank 5. That being said it might seem bit situational and for soloing at least it isn't very useful. However, when combined with Lingering Hell feat you can start to refresh the debuff by hitting the mobs with melee attacks. So it could have some potential uses on groups or raids in my opinion - but I suppose that is bit too early to say.

[Malustar]

Pillar of Infernal Flame Grade: B Very interesting spell. My first "true" AoE spell, so to speak. It does -- at least, it seems to -- do great damage and its true potential lies in the fast 2-piece combo and really fast cast time. The downside is the long-ish cooldown. Cleave Grade: F Pretty useless past level 5 or so. Mind, body and Spirit Wrack Grade: C+ Mind, body and Spirit wrack is a special combo. According to NN666 it will mana burn targets and, with talents, mana leech the mana. This certainly raises the value of the ability, but that still doesn't detract from the 4-piece combo and quite long cast time.

PoIF:
Rank A+
I would give much higher ranking for PoIF since if you get it through enemy defence even without Molten Steel Slash debuff there is high probability that youll one shot or at least make NPC/PC:s loose ~80% hitpoints or more and it is an AoE.

Cleave?:
Rank F
You mean sweep right?
As you said useless after level 5 or so on

Mind, body and Spirit wrack:
Rank A-
Acctually this is awesome DPS ability aswell. If you hit this through enemy armor at my level (35) it does around 400+400 damage and even drains mana.

[exog]

Up to lvl 30 there seems to be a direct link between how much stamina an ability uses and how much damage it does. BOdy and spirit whack does the most damage.

At lvl 30 this hits for up to 800 and crits for 1600. Pillar of flame is 100/200 lower.

[Absax]

Originally Posted by Malustar PoIF: Rank A+ I would give much higher ranking for PoIF since if you get it through enemy defence even without Molten Steel Slash debuff there is high probability that youll one shot or at least make NPC/PC:s loose ~80% hitpoints or more and it is an AoE. Cleave?: Rank F You mean sweep right? As you said useless after level 5 or so on Mind, body and Spirit wrack: Rank A- Acctually this is awesome DPS ability aswell. If you hit this through enemy armor at my level (35) it does around 400+400 damage and even drains mana.

Agreed - Pillar of Infernal Flame is the best dps combo I have at lvl 24. I use it whenever fighting 2+ mobs at the same time.
Molten steel slash does high damage but has a long cast time, making the dps not THAT great imo.

[Gromnir]

Originally Posted by madpickle Desecrating Benediction Grade: A- Our uber demon form-- a lot can be said about it, but I find that I don't use it often enough. It's great if you pull 3 mobs by mistake, or 2 mobs and a boss; but really, it's usually saved for PvP encounters (for me) and that inevitable, nebulous, period some time in the future where I might need it. Still, though, the stage is yours, young HoX -- every two minutes.

You mean Desecrating Essence.

[Casias]

Awesome initiative!

I sure learned alot, and I know alot of others will too.

thumbs up!

[Mummrakfan]

I don't know it this has been posted.
But about Burn to Death I/II.
It applies a DoT effect to everyone within the arch of the combo.
For example, Conall's Valley, when I used to group for those Ymirish folks.
if you do molten steel, for the added fire damage.
Then rack up burn to death, do a Hellfire Breath, then finnish off the combo early on in the fight.
The DoT damage comes as a bonus.
And then just do your thing as usual, those mobs have much HP, even for normal.
So every bit helps

But is there a tool to dump damage in?
I really wanna know ^^
I heard a rumor that there supposed to be a tool for that, but I have yet to find it.

EDIT: Explaining the combo/spell combination a little better.
OK, for example let's say you do a 3-4 step combo.
You are racking it up.
And when you have come to the third out of 4 steps, your hellfire breath is off cd.
Before you do the 4th and final step of the combo, you can use your hellfire breath and still finnish off the combo. It won't interrupt the combo hence more BURST damage