[Bloodstar]

Originally Posted by voidwalker1968 Last time I tried to have a decent chat in the wilderness I got jumped upon :-) So it's definitively a GOOD idea have a chat tool or improved search tool. We could always do things traditionally and meet in an INN/TAVERN but those are few and far between and one is more likely to get a sword in a kidney in some of them than a friendly word, and if not that is enough we'd be spread over 10 instances and I'm not a big one for "multiverse instance party search" because that destroys any RP experience far more than any OOC or general chat feature. However -- Improved group search and whatnot is key, as well as better community/rp features. AOC still feels like a "solo focused" game with "RP and Social features" thrown in -- maybe it's because we Norwegians are a bit antisocial (hehe) but FC please do bring on improved community/social/rp support! That said removing the OOC or General Regional or Global chats etc is not the way to go about it, for those who does not like this feature please "ignore" them. So far in Game I've yet to find any group by any other mean than OOC or Regional chat -- safest way to go about it so far. I agree it's a lot of BS going on in the OOC and the regional chat which should be MODERATED further but moderated by GMs and not by the internal RP Inquisition. Lets focus on the bigger issues such as "gankers", "spawn campers", "and NON RPing homicidal psychopaths". If someone wants to be in-game police please do start keeping the main roads and settlements clean of bandit, murderers and psychos :-) I'd say they'd have their hands more than full. Maybe in game "bulletin boards" would be a good idea for posting "for sale", "wanted", "Looking for companions" and so forth :-) -- And yes do put in more inns and taverns for us to socialize in and meet peacefully with a bit larger instance player caps than what is common these days.

You said it urself, improved LFG tool, end of story.

-Bloodstar

[Bloodstar]

Originally Posted by BotS-Elani Some people are RPers, but have game goals = PVP, PVE...AND RP with it. By acknowledging removal of OOC channels, you simply dont think about this people at all. I dont have time to scream in yell when i am about to do something, i play a game. I play it for all aspects, RP, PVP, PVE alike.

As Do I, and the OOC channels does nothing to help in any of these goals.

Improve the LFG tool, no need for ooc chat.


-Bloodstar

[Bloodstar]

Originally Posted by Sirenia I agree with you up to a point, but don't see how not having an OOC channel will help. I think what the RP community should be doing is actively encouraging role play within the game itself. The more you come into contact with players who actually RP in front of you, the more inclined new players will be to get into the swing of things.

Yes but how often does this happen today ?

Enough that ou or I might experience it once a week? maybe!

With no OOC channels these kind of encounters would happen ALL THE TIME, thus enriching everyones game experience.
And at the end of the day, not a whole hell of a lot is lost anyway.


-Bloodstar

[Bloodstar]

Originally Posted by Yavor Have you got problems with un-subscribing channels in the tab?

The very fact that it is fully possible to play AOC from 1 to 80 and beyond without EVER using the ooc channels only shows how useless they actually are, and so far only helps in destroying the RP community.


-Bloodstar of Aquilonia

[SCUM-Elani]

Originally Posted by Bloodstar The very fact that it is fully possible to play AOC from 1 to 80 and beyond without EVER using the ooc channels only shows how useless they actually are, and so far only helps in destroying the RP community. -Bloodstar of Aquilonia

Disable them yourself and quit saying whats best for all (like you are the one to say what community wants or not..).Funcom wont remove them anyway, this thread is just making you look weird.

Destroying RP community...what other pearl you gonna say?

[Garcia]

Originally Posted by Bloodstar The chat channels OOC and the various region chats does far more harm then good on an RP realm. All we need is say, whisper, yell, guild and party/raid. The rest should be removed.

can't you just delete the general tab? also how would people find grps etc? and it nice to chat OOC sometimes

[Sirenia]

Originally Posted by Bloodstar Yes but how often does this happen today ? Enough that ou or I might experience it once a week? maybe! With no OOC channels these kind of encounters would happen ALL THE TIME, thus enriching everyones game experience. And at the end of the day, not a whole hell of a lot is lost anyway. -Bloodstar

The games nowadays have come a long way since the days of Realm and UO. In those days people employed mIRC as an outside game comms to assist them making contact with other players, and this led to the game developers realising that they needed to include chat channels - at first a single global channel, then to specific multi-channels. It is called progress.

We also have 3rd party comms i.e. Ventrillo or Teamspeak. Valuable tools when in groups for instances and battles. Not good for role playing because it's hard to imagine the gruff voice equating with the sexy character in the game

I don't really think losing the OOC/General channel will encourage more people to role play. What you are liable to find instead is that more players will use OOC in the game itself when they need to find tech/quest/group help etc. I think that would be more detrimental to the role playing atmosphere than the current use of an OOC channel that anyone can turn off.

Another point to also consider is the way the game forces you into a separate window view when talking to NPCs - especially with quests. You cannot see the actions or speech of anyone around you. So interacting with anyone near NPCs is liable to be met with nil reaction. It's not the player's fault - it is just the way the game has been designed.

To be honest, I haven't really experienced too much "trash talk" on OOC. Sometimes nothing is said for quite a while so maybe we're on at different times?

[BrannanNFC]

and what about those of us who like RP, but actually want to play the game like a proper MMO?

You can turn off those channels if you like, but for those of us who actually want to use them, this suggestion fails.


oh, and Bloodstar?

Very AoC name..

[Rohwenarius]

Originally Posted by Bloodstar The very fact that it is fully possible to play AOC from 1 to 80 and beyond without EVER using the ooc channels only shows how useless they actually are, and so far only helps in destroying the RP community. -Bloodstar of Aquilonia

Useless for you maybe but there are honestly good reasons for having such channels and they have been stated already. A channel canot "Destroy the RP community", what kind of gibberish is that?

RP not occuring has absoluelty zero to do with OOC channels. You think people will stop mindless banter when there is no OOC? They wont, youd rather see them using /yell and /say to talk OOC. I would rather have a channel so i can tell someone who is OOC in /say or /yell to please take it to /OOC. If there is no such channel then what? Telling him to shut up? that will help and go over with other players really well. Remember it fondly from EQ1... You cannot force anyone to not be OOC and you cannot force anyone to RP all the time. Simple as that. All pay the same amount of money each month so all have the same right to enjoy the game how they like. And for tossers there is always /ignore, i love that thing!

If you want RP to happen do it instead of watching or reading whats happening in OOC. Do not Discuss the lack or quality of RP on the server on the forum. Go and do something about it in Game. And do what most do: turn OOC off as long as you do not need it. Problem solved.

[Bloodstar]

Originally Posted by Sirenia The games nowadays have come a long way since the days of Realm and UO. In those days people employed mIRC as an outside game comms to assist them making contact with other players, and this led to the game developers realising that they needed to include chat channels - at first a single global channel, then to specific multi-channels. It is called progress.

And yet to this day no MMO has managed to provide a good RP enviroment, why is that? Oh yeah they all have global channels.

Originally Posted by Sirenia I don't really think losing the OOC/General channel will encourage more people to role play. What you are liable to find instead is that more players will use OOC in the game itself when they need to find tech/quest/group help etc. I think that would be more detrimental to the role playing atmosphere than the current use of an OOC channel that anyone can turn off.

I disagree.
When you or I or anyone enters an MMO for the first time, we always look around us to see what the norms are in the communities around us, and we learn, not by anyone telling us, but by example.
So with the global channels in place they will be anyone's first meeting with the online community.
In other words a new player will not know he is on an RP server at all, and unless he goes after it he never will.
But if he has to communicate with another player for the first time through a /say channel, and thats how everyone does it, people will be ready to help him, because it will be the norm.
And ppl will inform him that the /say channel is "supposed" to only be used for RP, ofcourse it doesnt always happen, but at the end of the day its not very hard to RP, even if u are just having casual conversation, and once people get used to it, it becomes fun and second nature.

The problem is we get lazy.
It is very easy to live without the OOC channels, in fact it makes the game better in most occasions, but it IS harder, absolutely.

We will be forced to seek out people in our friendlist and guild to play with.
If you want to ask a question ull actually have to stop a player to ask him/her and stop all ur activity while doing so, in fact ull be forced to have a conversation.
Same thing if u are getting ganked, you will have to seek people out to help u (instead of whining for 2 hours on OOC)
But thats ok, because if EVERYONE has to do it we will get used to it, we will get used to being stopped, and we will get used to conversations, we will get used to seeing newly ressed people running around looking for allies, in fact we will actually start to notice each other when we play.


That means that everyone puts in the effort to make RP happen, and thats the only way it is going to happen or these RP servers will go the same way as the world of warcraft ones.


-Bloodstar