[Sirenia]

Originally Posted by Bloodstar Sirenia & Watchdog79: Being able to set what channels you can view personally has nothing to do with this. What I want to get rid of is the parallel server community that arises on RP servers. One small community of people who RP and communicate with each other, and the larger mass of players whose community is maintaned via the universal chat channels and so only treat RP servers like a regular server, and never have any reason to do otherwise. Sirenia again: My first RP experience was as a newbie playing UO. Back then the game had ONLY /say, and u had to meet people to talk to them. I would take that a million times over compared to the slap in the face new RP players get when they start a character on an RP servers and see a full community of players with no interest in RP chatting/arguing/whining away on these channels. -Bloodstar of Aquilonia

May I answer your first point regarding your statement re "one small community ... " versus the "the larger mass..."

If the majority of subscribers are happy with having an OOC channel, then I doubt Funcom will feel obliged to change things because they need the income to continue financing the game itself (development etc.). Perhaps the only way for you to get a true hardcore RP experience would be for FC to create a dedicated RP server (without any channels). In this way, you would get what you want, and the majority of players could continue to enjoy the normal RP servers with all normal channels available.

I'm an RPer too, but you won't get me on an RP only channel because I don't RP that way, I prefer to RP in-game with my character - face to face. I have listened in a few times to the Aquilonian RPing channel and found it to be so heavy, that I would have to stop actually playing the game itself in order to concentrate on what everyone was supposed to be doing - in their RP way.

Regarding your second comment. I was also a UO player and my guild belonged to the ERPA (European Role Players Association). Prior to that, I cut my RP teeth on The Realm.

However, despite the restrictions, there was still a noticeable number of non-RPers who would deliberately disrupt RP sessions, verbally and physically, regardless of only having limited in-game communication. Therefore, whether or not we have an OOC channel or not, will not stop the griefers, gankers and spawn campers having their fun.

[Sirenia]

Originally Posted by gurgelstock There really is no need for global chat, all it does is destroy the already rather thin atmosphere. Worried about how youll find a guild or ask for help? Well dont, its that simple. Honestly, how much rp feeling can you get talkin over some global chat with people all around the world? Back in UO we had carrier pigeons (tells) and thats all you need! Global chat destroys everything plus I would love to see all those idiots with stupid ass names leave

And this from someone called Gurgelstock

Most players use the OOC channel to find groups, or guilds. Please remember that at this time the in-game GUI is useless for guilds etc. It takes so long to update - if at all. I've contacted players on the "Looking for a Guild" list only to find they a) didn't realise they were still on the list, or b) had already found a guild the day before.

If you want an RP atmosphere in-game, then make it yourself. That is how true RPers play. How often do you talk to the NPC's? Or do you just run up to your quest giver, click click click and run away again? Do you even consider wishing them a good day?

How many of you run everywhere in town? Why not walk for a bit, enjoy the view from a bridge or step, or stop to look at the stalls etc.

How many of you actually get off your mounts when in a crowded street? In real life, would you ride through a busy market place - or would you have used the stables first?

There is more to RP than just using an RP channel. So if you want an RP atmosphere, then make it yourself. The more people who do this, the better the atmosphere.

[XXyxyX]

Originally Posted by BotS-Elani Strongly disagreed! There are many great PVPers, PVErs who do RP and are not hardcore RPers (mostly the hardcore ones are the most annoying guys on server anyways, constant whining about everything) - OOC chat is need to find groups, talk about whatever needed (and no even on RP server i cant be bothered to /yell before instance, thank you) - OOC chat can be used to track griefers and OOCtards as well (lowbie gankers, griefers,can get punished easily - other guys will come). No no, again, i dont want this taken. - OOC chat is great just to speak about whatever you want (generally trashtalk), although i aint really fan of it, many people enjoy it and THEY are very good RPers (so yeah, not only OOCtards as you proclaim to use it, so do RPers, who want another contact with outside world and not be punished for hardcore RPer idiotism (sorry might sound harsh but its the way it is, hardcore RPers are the most pissing off existences on this realm, constantly whining about everything). Before you start asking, yeah i do RP, i like precacted RP together with RP being on-site, but i aint hardcore, i want to enjoy gameplay as well together with RP. Thank you for not borking my gameplay experience, with removing OOC chats...

What is "hardcore" rp? And what is "hardcore RPer idiotism"? Roleplaying servers are roleplaying servers 24/7......
The obvious difference between a roleplayer who wants to roleplay all the time and not have his/her gaming experience borked by others and somebody who roleplays when he is in the mood to do so whilst bunny-hopping and smiley spamming the rest of the time is that the latter has the choice between a normal server (the game's still an rpg, so you can still have your occasional roleplay) and the roleplaying server.
All the problems mentioned only arise by breaking the lore or farming the game anyways - exactly what should be going on on those rp servers.

[LilRio]

I dont see how people can turn off OOC channel and still be bothered by it so much to post about it... *shrugs*

Haven't read sufficient reasoning about this.

[Bloodstar]

Originally Posted by Sirenia May I answer your first point regarding your statement re "one small community ... " versus the "the larger mass..." If the majority of subscribers are happy with having an OOC channel, then I doubt Funcom will feel obliged to change things because they need the income to continue financing the game itself (development etc.).

Well I disagree, all these people who do not RP would simply go to another server, they would not quit the game.

Originally Posted by Sirenia Perhaps the only way for you to get a true hardcore RP experience would be for FC to create a dedicated RP server (without any channels). In this way, you would get what you want, and the majority of players could continue to enjoy the normal RP servers with all normal channels available.

I am not a "hardcore" RPer as such, but in my opinion THIS is what RP realms should be.
You will still have guildchat to mess around in however u want, with people u actually care about talking to, imagine how much more active guild chats would be without the other channels.

Originally Posted by Sirenia Regarding your second comment. I was also a UO player and my guild belonged to the ERPA (European Role Players Association). Prior to that, I cut my RP teeth on The Realm. However, despite the restrictions, there was still a noticeable number of non-RPers who would deliberately disrupt RP sessions, verbally and physically, regardless of only having limited in-game communication. Therefore, whether or not we have an OOC channel or not, will not stop the griefers, gankers and spawn campers having their fun.

I remember ERPA, u gotta admit thou, only having a /say channel in UO was magical.
You have to understand that im not talking about "Greifers".
Im talking about ur average Joe gamer who wants to try an RP realm because he wants a more mature playerbase and because he is curious about RP.
He then logs into an RP server, realizes people here are the same as everywhere and quickly forgets that he is supposed to RP at all.
Then after a year or so he has still no idea what RPing is since he has not done it, and he defends himself by claiming he is a "casual" RPer who only RPs when he feels like it.
Which makes no sense cuz u gotta seek out and make RP, it does not fall in ur lap, unless someone ELSE is making it for u.


-Bloodstar of Aquilonia.

[Bloodstar]

To EVERYONE who claims OOC channels are there to find groups:


That is just a fraction of what it is being used for and is EASILY replaced by a good search tool, sure the current search tool could use some work, but we know FC is working on it.
Trying to claim that the OOC channels serve some unique all important function by helping people to group up is ridiculous when 99% of what goes on on those channels really has nothing to do on an RP server.


-Bloodstar of Aquilonia

[voidwalker1968]

Last time I tried to have a decent chat in the wilderness I got jumped upon :-) So it's definitively a GOOD idea have a chat tool or improved search tool. We could always do things traditionally and meet in an INN/TAVERN but those are few and far between and one is more likely to get a sword in a kidney in some of them than a friendly word, and if not that is enough we'd be spread over 10 instances and I'm not a big one for "multiverse instance party search" because that destroys any RP experience far more than any OOC or general chat feature. However -- Improved group search and whatnot is key, as well as better community/rp features. AOC still feels like a "solo focused" game with "RP and Social features" thrown in -- maybe it's because we Norwegians are a bit antisocial (hehe) but FC please do bring on improved community/social/rp support! That said removing the OOC or General Regional or Global chats etc is not the way to go about it, for those who does not like this feature please "ignore" them.

So far in Game I've yet to find any group by any other mean than OOC or Regional chat -- safest way to go about it so far. I agree it's a lot of BS going on in the OOC and the regional chat which should be MODERATED further but moderated by GMs and not by the internal RP Inquisition. Lets focus on the bigger issues such as "gankers", "spawn campers", "and NON RPing homicidal psychopaths". If someone wants to be in-game police please do start keeping the main roads and settlements clean of bandit, murderers and psychos :-) I'd say they'd have their hands more than full.

Maybe in game "bulletin boards" would be a good idea for posting "for sale", "wanted", "Looking for companions" and so forth :-) -- And yes do put in more inns and taverns for us to socialize in and meet peacefully with a bit larger instance player caps than what is common these days.

[SCUM-Elani]

Originally Posted by XXyxyX What is "hardcore" rp? And what is "hardcore RPer idiotism"? Roleplaying servers are roleplaying servers 24/7...... The obvious difference between a roleplayer who wants to roleplay all the time and not have his/her gaming experience borked by others and somebody who roleplays when he is in the mood to do so whilst bunny-hopping and smiley spamming the rest of the time is that the latter has the choice between a normal server (the game's still an rpg, so you can still have your occasional roleplay) and the roleplaying server. All the problems mentioned only arise by breaking the lore or farming the game anyways - exactly what should be going on on those rp servers.

Hardcore RPer is person which in my way of thinking OP is... "My RPee is better than your cause i know exactly what RPers need and that is removal of OOC chats!"

I as fellow RPer (casual) tell him, that he is simple BADLY mistaken, since RPservers aint only place for hardcores like him who are bothered waiting near instance shouting, or shouting for guild.

Some people are RPers, but have game goals = PVP, PVE...AND RP with it. By acknowledging removal of OOC channels, you simply dont think about this people at all.

I dont have time to scream in yell when i am about to do something, i play a game. I play it for all aspects, RP, PVP, PVE alike.

So stop telling me how i should RP, or how i shouldnt. If you dont like OOC channel, remove it, dont care about it...Its possible. Problem solved, bye..

(well i dunno why i keep defending OOC here, since Funcom anyways wont bother with removing it, since people like OP are in BIG minority, but well, so be it)

[Sirenia]

Originally Posted by Bloodstar Well I disagree, all these people who do not RP would simply go to another server, they would not quit the game.

Yes, but would there be enough left on a dedicated RP (no OOC) type server to warrant the expense to FC?

Originally Posted by Bloodstar I am not a "hardcore" RPer as such, but in my opinion THIS is what RP realms should be. You will still have guildchat to mess around in however u want, with people u actually care about talking to, imagine how much more active guild chats would be without the other channels.

But surely we can still achieve this by making a personal choice not to have the OOC channel turned on? However, it can then leave you with a problem if you need to ask about a bug/quest query. I've seen players get a lot of help from others on the OOC channel which they can't get from the GMs (due to 4 hour plus queue etc.)

Originally Posted by Bloodstar I remember ERPA, u gotta admit thou, only having a /say channel in UO was magical.

I still think UO is a great game, though the graphics even though they tried to upgrade to 3D has left it way behind now. The crafting system and reputation system was, and still is (IMHO) the best. Even WoW and AOC to name a couple, haven't got it right yet.

And there were some tremendous RP events, encouraged and supported by the GMs and R.G. himself. In my guild I conducted knighting ceremonies, weddings, and lots of other nice RP scenarios sometimes actually working with the GMs as they put a storyline together for the RP community to get involved with.

Originally Posted by Bloodstar You have to understand that im not talking about "Greifers". Im talking about ur average Joe gamer who wants to try an RP realm because he wants a more mature playerbase and because he is curious about RP. He then logs into an RP server, realizes people here are the same as everywhere and quickly forgets that he is supposed to RP at all. Then after a year or so he has still no idea what RPing is since he has not done it, and he defends himself by claiming he is a "casual" RPer who only RPs when he feels like it. Which makes no sense cuz u gotta seek out and make RP, it does not fall in ur lap, unless someone ELSE is making it for u. -Bloodstar of Aquilonia.

I agree with you up to a point, but don't see how not having an OOC channel will help.

I think what the RP community should be doing is actively encouraging role play within the game itself. The more you come into contact with players who actually RP in front of you, the more inclined new players will be to get into the swing of things.

Role play doesn't have to be difficult or so complicated that players give up. We can make it fun and entertaining.

e.g. in another game (that I won't mention ) one of my guild was leading me around his home city cut deep into the mountain. We had just enjoyed an RP session in the tavern and I wanted to log out (said so to him privately) and so he said he would take me somewhere safe where I could sleep. He led me down the street until we came to a house, whereupon he haranged the NPC about the debt owed to him, and that he needed his bed for one night. He carried on a conversation with the NPC, talking about his family and hoped the bedding had been aired etc. Just by spending a couple of minutes talking to the NPC, that player had made the game itself (and our characters) come alive.

The other day I decided to walk across the bridge to the Noble District, and whilst a lot of players just ran past (or galloped on their mounts), some did actually pause, then change their run to a walk. Nothing was said - it was in the action.

And this is why I think we should concentrate more on what we do in the game before restricting the comms that FC have provided.

[Yavor]

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