[odinthomas]

Originally Posted by kukkakeppii We're powerful enough, we don't need speed / atk speed / what ever you mentioned. We're good to go. I'd just love to see other classes boosted up a bit as it is stupid the way it is: everyone rerolling to one of the OPd classes, which we are.

Well good to know that assassins are overpowered... but wheres the point here mr. Assassin, do you wonna learn how to use a bow and become a archer?
you are aware of AoC don't have multi classing?
Good to know that you support boosting other classes, because we do need a puff.

Cheers mr. Assassin, good to know we have your support

saying that Assassins are over powered... is that reverse psychology?

[Jukasa]

Give rangers more range and take their insane DPS away. Sounds good to me.

[thefrenchy75]

Well, ranger over powered certainly not.

what I think should change :

- trap.. pretty useless most of the time as they 80% don't hold a mob more than 3/5 sec. All in All CC skills which works.. more than 2 sec
- feats which work or are really worth spending 20 feats point on them.
I tried shattering (don't work anymore do to bug or nerf), fire stance seems useless, I've been told that snider is even worse.
- more speed skills... damn... we're so slow.. salvo is too slow imho. I can give more hit with a sword than with my bow.
Ranger are suppose to nuke from range.. if we're so slow that we mostly fight with are bow touching the mobs nose..something is wrong.
It's ok to finish to work in 1 vs 1... but not if the mob it often at 60/70% of Health when he reach us.
- DPS.. I'm not sure we have a lot of DPS... I would say that we're pretty low compare to the fact that we're suppose to be ranged nuker.

I don't want to be superman, or like a POM who can fight +4/5 lvl mob and finish full health. I want to have fun and don't have the feeling that dev completly ignore our class problem.


Later

[ceeshond]

... Are you guys serious ?

i smell a troll tho.. the opening post is simply.. weird

[forestdutch]

Originally Posted by thefrenchy75 Well, ranger over powered certainly not. what I think should change : - trap.. pretty useless most of the time as they 80% don't hold a mob more than 3/5 sec. All in All CC skills which works.. more than 2 sec - feats which work or are really worth spending 20 feats point on them. I tried shattering (don't work anymore do to bug or nerf), fire stance seems useless, I've been told that snider is even worse. - more speed skills... damn... we're so slow.. salvo is too slow imho. I can give more hit with a sword than with my bow. Ranger are suppose to nuke from range.. if we're so slow that we mostly fight with are bow touching the mobs nose..something is wrong. It's ok to finish to work in 1 vs 1... but not if the mob it often at 60/70% of Health when he reach us. - DPS.. I'm not sure we have a lot of DPS... I would say that we're pretty low compare to the fact that we're suppose to be ranged nuker. I don't want to be superman, or like a POM who can fight +4/5 lvl mob and finish full health. I want to have fun and don't have the feeling that dev completly ignore our class problem. Later

It will be even wursh, everybody except ranger, think where insanely overpowered, i realy cant see where we are over powered?, we only can hit one target good at time, i cant one shot players or even 2/3shit them i have best lvl50 bow at moment im lvl50 and i win some lose some in pvp and not been a uber dps killing machine.

Whiners will ruin our class for sure while most of whines is untrue, pure liar's.

[Rili]

Well i do hope they will increase the range on combos / normal attacks in Siege pvp =) Alot more fun to stand on the wall defending then running around waiting for em to break trough.

[auser]

some thing must went realy wrong in the developers head when tehy cut the ranger range below casters range. and when they made soldiers immune to ranger dmg, giving priest dmg not far away from ranger damage and heals that out heal our dmg.

ah and mostly useles cc.

it is so obvious how wrong this is. but yeah, on level 20 we are overpowert, one-shoting others.... they should haven't changed the ranger, only the multiplicators for damage on levels <30.

[kukkakeppii]

Originally Posted by odinthomas Well good to know that assassins are overpowered... but wheres the point here mr. Assassin, do you wonna learn how to use a bow and become a archer? you are aware of AoC don't have multi classing? Good to know that you support boosting other classes, because we do need a puff. Cheers mr. Assassin, good to know we have your support saying that Assassins are over powered... is that reverse psychology?

Okay I'm an archer, not assassin... No idea what you're talking about.

And to the DPS argument: how is a ranged class supposed to be the #1 damagedealer? That's supposed to be either a barb. or assassin. The fact that we have ranged attacks should and does decrease our damage.

[LukkasVM]

Originally Posted by kukkakeppii Okay I'm an archer And to the DPS argument: how is a ranged class supposed to be the #1 damagedealer? That's supposed to be either a barb. or assassin. The fact that we have ranged attacks should and does decrease our damage.

emh, sry but ranger must stay 1st damage dealer at least for the reason that ranger has only 1 kind (pierce)of damage, barb an assassin have 3 kinds (pierce/slash/crush), plus can use bow/Xbow.
if you decrease ranger dps, already too low to call "archer", with this ridicolous range then you simply could/should leave ranger from damage dealer list and add to "everdead class list"
And who supposed that assassin and barbarian must have highter dps, maybe u?

[kukkakeppii]

Originally Posted by LukkasVM emh, sry but ranger must stay 1st damage dealer at least for the reason that ranger has only 1 kind (pierce)of damage, barb an assassin have 3 kinds (pierce/slash/crush), plus can use bow/Xbow. if you decrease ranger dps, already too low to call "archer", with this ridicolous range then you simply could/should leave ranger from damage dealer list and add to "everdead class list" And who supposed that assassin and barbarian must have highter dps, maybe u?

Okay, think of yourself as an assassin or a barbarian. Now you came across a ranger. If he had slows, snares and knockbacks to keep you away from him for at least 30 seconds (like he does now too) PLUS he has higher damage than you will have AND heavier armor, wouldn't you start thinking why anyone would take any other rogue class except ranger? Shouldn't assassins be dealing a LOT higher singletarget DPS, since they have only cloth armor? The ranger's speciality is (or imo, at least is supposed to be), as you can see from the name, range. This is the only thing I'd like to see changed: we should have the longest ranged attacks in the game.

Also, the problem here is that rangers can't kill priests nor soldiers at higher levels. I don't think it should be fixed by increasing rangers damage either, but instead by lowering the super duper self-heals of the priest. We should never be able to beat a heavy armored soldier (who has a shield) in a 1v1, so nothing to change with that issue (imo).