[auser]

Originally Posted by XtreO I think this is issue resides between the chair and keyboard. When you cannot beat a melee when you are ranged with trap and slow and are known to oneshot classes with piercing shot, that is the only possible solution!

lol, as if piersing shot does much. and the snares do not hold long enough to being able to kite them. damn this is not wow, you can't kite melees here.

[LukkasVM]

Originally Posted by Kozuka You arnt supposed to kill gaurdians, or any soldier for that matter (and you cant easily at later levels). Its called balance.

Atm ranger is not supposed to kill anything/anyone.
Maybe it happens atm, but players community and Funcom will'provide asap
to fix it.
Funcom is devloping a full-melee* based pvp, like major community wants w/o any valuable "ranged" intrusion. It's all.
Dont' waste time or word for "balance".

edit: * soldier at first.

[larshee]

i still manage to kill assassins

[Jagathai]

Yes... well...
Tried some stuff out against a friend of mine who plays a guardian, and who just stood still while i fired.

Sharpshooter-specced, used all the combos i have untill i ran out of stamina, and the only time i did any serious damage, was when i critted, with a armor ripper-shot. If the ranger is specced for defense and regeneration, you can actually see their health increasing, faster than you can damage them.

With that said, i thought "maybe the crossbow, and waylayer skilltree will fare better", and popped into the forums to learn, what others might have found out. Lo and behold, rangers all over generally agree, that guardians are a "no go" for us, at the moment.

My friend has 25% piercing invulnerability in defensive stance, my armour ripper (the special arrow, which according to the description, is designed to tear apart plate armor as well as tough hide,)reduces that with -1% for a final result of 24% invulnerability to my damage. Mix that with a regenerative ability, and i'd rather turn tail and head for the mountains, than stay and watch him laugh at my futile attempts to scratch him.

Seriously, besides "getting lucky" and seeing them trip into a ravine, and land with their heavy armour on top of them, can nothing be done?

- Jagathai

[ibury]

the difference of armor is ridic so high, thats ridiculous. I once fought against a guardian with my barb, I threw everything at him, every ability I had, the result was: no stam, guardian @50% hp, me slowly loosing hp due to the guardians attacks.

[Fleshcutter]

I dueled a guardian friend with my bear shaman, we were same level. The fight lasted 10 minutes but i won, but if i didnt have heals and untamed regen feat (adds incombat hp/sta/mana regen) i wouldnt have a chance.

So i can really feel your pain here, it must be impossible for classes that cant outlast them to win. They got insane armor and very good incombat hp regen.

[Justemre]

IMO(Not Only in AoC, Generaly)

Ranger/Hunter/Assassin > Mage/Sorcerer/Wizard
Mage/Sorcerer/Wizard > Warrior/Tank/Etc
Warrior/Tank/Etc > Ranger/Hunter/Assassin

( ">" Advantage)

[Jagathai]

Originally Posted by Justemre IMO(Not Only in AoC, Generaly) Ranger/Hunter/Assassin > Mage/Sorcerer/Wizard Mage/Sorcerer/Wizard > Warrior/Tank/Etc Warrior/Tank/Etc > Ranger/Hunter/Assassin ( ">" Advantage)

I agree. This should be what the end result adds up to, but the point beeing discussed here isn't whether they have an advantage over the ranger. It's whether a ranger can actually do anything, to try and bring down a guardian (other than push him of a cliff).

Someone posted the need for balance, and i would have to agree. A ranger is great for PvE in my book. Especially with the Salvo-combo, and their good survivability. But i agree with Ibury, the difference in armour, and the stuff that can ignore it, is crazy.

I wonder if this adds in with the lacking "endgame material", that many people have been asking for. I would suggest, for example, that the Armor Ripper-combo remove a bigger percentage of your piercing invulnerability, perhaps based on armor type. As it is now, it removes 1% whether you have cloth, or plate armor... and that's just silly. I hardly ever use it.

I'll still be playing my Ranger, and working my way towards the 80, he's good at that. But beeing on a Rp-pvp server, and within a guild where we fight for leadership, i feel kinda left out and vulnerable. And it galls me, that i have to turn tail and run, instead of attempting to put up a fight.

- Jagathai

[auser]

Originally Posted by Jagathai I'll still be playing my Ranger, and working my way towards the 80, he's good at that. But beeing on a Rp-pvp server, and within a guild where we fight for leadership, i feel kinda left out and vulnerable. And it galls me, that i have to turn tail and run, instead of attempting to put up a fight. - Jagathai

fighting for leadership? Oo
damn what a nice idea for rp.

[Jagathai]

Originally Posted by auser fighting for leadership? Oo damn what a nice idea for rp.

Thanks,
I'm the current leader though, and i live in constant fear of my friend and his Guardian. He's been eyeballing me for quite some time. I hope to God, that he doesn't read these threads :P