[Killerghost]

Just to add some options. Always depending on playstyle

A crit based feat layout and
a DPS based feat layout.

Crit based for high AA lvl and T3/Kithai equiped ranger
DPS based for medium AA and T1 based equip ranger
Works in both PvE (up to T2) and PvP

[Nolenthar]

If you want PvE and instance, drop Linebreaker, it's too costy in term of dps for what it offers.

Linebreaker is for solo/PvP, sucks ball otherwise.

Lvl 80 Instance/Raid spec

This is the best raid/instance spec you can get for max dps + group viability (stam regen for spellweavers or for urself).
Don't listen to ranger saying -hate is not necessary, it just means they don't deal enough damage yet for it to become necessary.

If you want more solo viability, you'll have to sacrifice a few things to get more CCs (LB, etc), but you'll nerf your dps so I wouldn't go for it.

[SallowCZ]

Originally Posted by Nolenthar Lvl 80 Instance/Raid spec This is the best raid/instance spec you can get for max dps + group viability (stam regen for spellweavers or for urself). Don't listen to ranger saying -hate is not necessary, it just means they don't deal enough damage yet for it to become necessary.

I'm glad that I came to exactly same conclusion/build on my own Maybe except 1-2 points which I put to Concussive Blast to help CC adds in T3. Also agree with the -hate, especially Furtive Attacks (ALO -30% hate for 10s every 35s) is super important. Try to squeeze your best dps abilities into these 10s and adpot your rotation to it.

[Nolenthar]

Originally Posted by SallowCZ I'm glad that I came to exactly same conclusion/build on my own Maybe except 1-2 points which I put to Concussive Blast to help CC adds in T3.

Yep that part is not really important, I took evasive action instead of concussive just because since the CC revamp concussive is a terrible joke(0.5 seconds cast time for 0.5 stun is a good joke, certainly the worst specced stun of the game). Can save my life if I pull aggro on melee bosses.

But I wouldn't drop anything else. I could go Fire Attacks instead of SHarpened Weapons but burst advantages are generally quite useless on the long term, I generally rotate +weapon dmg advantage and stam advantage, Sharpened is good against heavily armored target.

[Yawgmoth-VDN]

Originally Posted by Nolenthar If you want PvE and instance, drop Linebreaker, it's too costy in term of dps for what it offers. Linebreaker is for solo/PvP, sucks ball otherwise.

in fact i'm not using for dps, but it's a very nice cc and it helps a lot in certain situations...
to be honest, i prefere to have slightly less dps and be able to save my team in case of need (eg, adds running away at the keeper)...

Originally Posted by Nolenthar Don't listen to ranger saying -hate is not necessary, it just means they don't deal enough damage yet for it to become necessary.

again, i said that -hate from general tree is not necessary, 'cos if you spend so many points there, you'll gimp your dps...
of course the -hate from aa's & furtive attacks are a must!!

Originally Posted by Nolenthar If you want more solo viability, you'll have to sacrifice a few things to get more CCs (LB, etc), but you'll nerf your dps so I wouldn't go for it.

it depends... i think it's mostly a matter of playing style...

[graverr]

Originally Posted by Killerghost Just to add some options. Always depending on playstyle A crit based feat layout and a DPS based feat layout. Crit based for high AA lvl and T3/Kithai equiped ranger DPS based for medium AA and T1 based equip ranger Works in both PvE (up to T2) and PvP

i just cannot believe you were posting how happy you are about rangers dps in groups and now i see your "builds" i cannot stop rolling on the floor laughing.
i mean really? no marked target? no marked for death? no lethality?no sharpened weapons,no absolute precision?.NO
FURTIVE ATTACKS?that is the perfect example how not to make a build if you want a group.i actually am surprised you chose master trapper,but i guess it wasnt anything else to choose to get deeper in the tree.


plus evasive action is completely useless except pvp and solo pve.

i now get the whole ideea why funcom reduced rangers to such a ridiculous class.keep the good work .lol. i vote you for rangers advocate xd

ps: i take back what i said about furtive attacks,you clearly do not need hate reduction in groups since with your builds you will do less dps than a caster using melee white hits

[graverr]

To get more on the topic.

For solo pve(questing in khitai etc) you need a max cc build.get all the ccs you can get your hands on.shield bash kb is particularily usefull even in raids and only costs 1 point.

For pvp you also need as many ccs you can get.You usually can get away with getting whole of them plus some anti ccs in the general tree while still saving a decent dps.

As for group pve(and i mean khitai 6mans and raids)a ranger should go for maximum dps possible.there is not much requested from a ranger that will require special feats.MARKED TARGET is a must for any group ranger since is a boost for the whole team and everybody loves that.Sharpened weapons can boost your dps on most bosses a lot more than fire/shattering attack and absolute precission is very usefull group boost against bosses with damage deflection shields like louhi and the rhino in ardashir fort.

At the end of the day anyone can use wichever build feels like,but that will be the diference between a very bad,decent or good ranger.

[Dinub]

Seriously all them crapy builds.
No wonder ppl think rangers raid dps sucks.

[LunaticAsylumLA]

Originally Posted by Dinub Seriously all them crapy builds. No wonder ppl think rangers raid dps sucks.

Even mine in the beginning?!

[Dinub]

Originally Posted by LunaticAsylumLA Even mine in the beginning?!

oh yes its absolutely horrible, its nice for a good laugh thou