[Bonera]

well i go pvp specc most of the time saves me gold,but then occasionally i get dkp penalty if no rogues specc -hate buff)))

after countless threads about how fc broke the ranger class there is still no answer...
i think its pointles at the moment to ask funcom to tweak ranger untill they finish revamping heals and mages,coz after that they can tweak some classes hopefully in the right way...
but untill then we just have to cope with what we have(((dumbed down class(((
thats why i play sin now,still dumb but not as dumb))))

[Nolenthar]

To try to answer accurately and avoiding all very friendly advices such as L2P or other things, I would say the following.

Among the rogue's archetype (the only one which makes sense to compare ranger to as it also means the same type of damage most of the time, so melee, at the exception of 1 advantage for ranger and the unholy bomb from sin), Ranger comes 3rd after sin/reaver barb, but is definitely higher than Zerker barb.

Considering its uniqueness (range, good amount of CC), it makes the ranger a definitely viable class everywhere the single target dps is important. The most demanding instance when it comes to dps is Tian An Hard mode, and I wouldn't mind (and already did) bringing a ranger there instead of a sin or a reaver barb, at equal level of skill/AA/gear of course and even if there might be a 5%/10% of the dps output between the sin and the ranger (single target wise), the particularity of the ranger will make up for this difference.

So no, I disagree, Ranger is not failing in PvE. It's not at the top of the chain food, but don't think you can't do anything good with it.

Played 100%, the ranger offers a viable class for any group/raids and if you can definitely do some raid encounters without a ranger, you can do so with pretty much all rogues class and that doesn't make the ranger a bad class.

[noite80]

i find funny reading rangers cant get in raids when exalted raided alone we use to have 4-5 rangers every raid and all bosses died...
going full out with ranger with or without traps should land you on top5 dps list on single target bosses
as with any rogue you need to push your dps to the limit to out nuke mages but in single target fights any rogue can do same dmg a mage can
unless its one of those bosses with 0 protection where tanking dt's end up top 4 dps