[graverr]

I was scrolling trough the threads when i came above this thread:
http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/show...71#post1973371

I am well aware this thread could have been already started countles times yet still i mount my forum horse and charge it again.

I see the ranger class as being very broken in pve.While in pvp can still perform quite interesting if a good hit and run ninja chicken style is adopted,in pve the situation is fastly begining to show a dramatic face.
The lack of aoe dps,zero group buffs and even the lack of the posibility to do (averagely good)dps from staying at range(traps force you to stay in melee range) is making the class fairly unwanted in groups.In my opinion if Enigmata of yag didnt existed the ranger part in the pve experience would be not even by a longshot requested.To add the cherry to the cake,the exploits in House of Crom wich allow you to farm rare trophies in the miniboss room has completely ruined the grouping for khitai hardmodes and including the KK runs where the rangers kinda exceded(not considering that ppl already have lvl 10 ranger alts parked in yag anyway).

PS: please,if are to respond on this thread check out the link above before you do.It will hep make a very clear ideea on my concern.AND flaming ranger haters that want to see the class even more beaten down or actually removed from aoc please contain yourselves.
That is all for the time being.!thank you

[noite80]

http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...733-13,1735-15
get taking the shot
get tiger gear
use traps wisely and advanges+marked when they are availble
rager can do same dps barb sin so...
only crappy thing about ranger is they dont have combos or diferentiation bettewen bow-xbow things that existed before

[Killerghost]

@OP. I read a lot of opinions in your thread, but I do not see any facts you based this on. You could be right, but I do not see it this way. Based on many HM ini's, T2 and an ocasional T3. Could you be more specific?

[Yawgmoth-VDN]

it's true that the class dps has always been limited to avoid to make it op in pvp, but it's also true that if played correctly it can perform pretty well in single target's fights, especially when dps must be controlled!!

[graverr]

i dont really believe that destiny raiders have problems feating their rangers right to get max dps.posting a link to a feat planner is a more civilized way to tell me to l2p .wich is not the case xd.


""Checking the link im my original post is a must to be able to continue with this thread!

http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...733-13,1735-15
get taking the shot
get tiger gear
use traps wisely and advanges+marked when they are availble
rager can do same dps barb sin so...
only crappy thing about ranger is they dont have combos or diferentiation bettewen bow-xbow things that existed before""

taking the shot has nothing to do with the improvement of dps in pve,except solo pve .deadly draw and even the hawk brings more dps to the table in long fights like raids.

[graverr]

Originally Posted by Killerghost @OP. I read a lot of opinions in your thread, but I do not see any facts you based this on. You could be right, but I do not see it this way. Based on many HM ini's, T2 and an ocasional T3. Could you be more specific?

i believe the opinions of the some of the most experienced raiders on crom are enough to back up my "opinions" that ranger has nothing to bring to a pve group that any other class cannot.especially tanks that do more dps than rangers or mages that give awesome buffs apart from their higher pve dps.
I see nothing wrong in calling facts "opinions".

[Kurt777]

Mmmh, i agree mostly dpswise, but still as ranger you can do something others can not do.

Like
- ranged physical damage
- ranged debuffs

also, you can support with your ccs and traps the priest or mage who has to kite when getting aggro.

But basically there is a pve problem with rangers and their role, but i don't really see a solution without either messing up pvp or rerolling or changing the class. Any suggestions?

[Epicfailprophet]

my 2 cents:

it's funny to see ppl complaining about ranger dmg...
I am not fooling now the OP but really I can't understand.
Every class is improvable, but I think before retouching ranger fix some other classes who needs badly a revamp/rebalance.

Ranger have good dmg, good burst dmg and when you feat for it then even raids they can be outstanding.
It has nothing to do with the fact if ppl are from Destiny/Hardcore/Hardporn guild or so whatever...

Rangers, even with a shitty pvp spec can manage to do good raids even in a good raiding team. Rangers who spec for the RAID-SPEC (exp. rangers know of what I am speaking) can be really outdpsing many dps classes.

But: are parsers exact ? do they add to game quality ? or are they only there for e-peen show ? were you slacking while others were dps'ing ? did you position yourself right ?

barbs and sins are closed combat and risk to die many times, rangers have really good dmg mixed with ranged combat which makes them even more lethal.

Complaining about rangers in pve is a total nonsense, taking the shot made lazy rangers even worse, the ranger revamp made bad rangers looking awesome + TTS in pve is wasted (better tools for sustained dps) and in pvp is really meh (no skill involved, that's why boring ---> imho)...

so, before doing other stuff wrong again, focus on other classes before re"crapping" rangers again.

now, I am waiting for the flames and all the rest ppl will throw at me.

Happy Easter to all

Edit--> PS.: use the tools at your disposal and try them to death before claiming for rebalances or revamps....
And for the tiger gear: good dps but bad bad HP and stamina. I guess you do more dmg when you are alive and not lying on the ground...

Have fun ^^

[Aell]

Originally Posted by Sugarfree barbs and sins are closed combat, rangers have really good dmg mixed with ranged combat which makes them even more lethal.

Technically, yes. Practically, getting the same output as a barb or sin means that you must be dropping traps and a target must trigger those traps. Which means you're not ranged, you're in melee range.

Master Trapper is a ridiculous mechanic.

[Epicfailprophet]

true Aell, never said that rangers aren't improvable, but as you know ( and YOU KNOW ) traps have a little "range", too, so they activate from a bit far and you can still stay mid-range and NOT closed combat (if we are talking about rangers attacking the same target as barbs and sins and no other random mobs crosses your way - like there usually are in raids or group instances)