[ectomorph]

Originally Posted by darknessjw And still BF3 failed, how come . Sales wont prove a thing, SC will be remembered always. But too bad console games sell more, we get more bad quality products, hope next generation consoles changes that. Unlikely.... Offtopic

MMO's are almost the only genre still innovating in graphics thanks to shitty consoles from 2005-06

[Melekaiah]

Comparing game sales today to game sales from earlier years is just stupid. we all know that gaming as a buisness model has matured quite rapidly in the last few years.

there are so many games out there its insane. its hard to find something that hasnt been done now.

battlefield 3 might have failed for some. but i know plenty of people who love it.

the difference today is that the market is way more diluted than it used to be.

the problem as I see it, is that we arent progressing quite as fast anymore, it feels like a lot of games and companies are just rehasing old ideas, with new atwork, and gameplay changes that are little more than mods. while at the same time pushing the graphical limits.

give me a large open world with networked physics please and multiplayer. with propper collision detection and fun action combat. (personally i prefer the action combat in a lot of asian japanese titles - rather than the clickfest of Diablo etc. )

[Rolfmario]

Originally Posted by darknessjw And still BF3 failed, how come . Sales wont prove a thing, SC will be remembered always. But too bad console games sell more, we get more bad quality products, hope next generation consoles changes that. Unlikely.... Offtopic

The quality of console gaming has always been top notch. You get what you pay for. Can't say the same for PC, here we pretty much pay for beta versions of games.

Originally Posted by ectomorph MMO's are almost the only genre still innovating in graphics thanks to shitty consoles from 2005-06

Except that MMOs is not innovating anything in graphics at all.

Originally Posted by Melekaiah Comparing game sales today to game sales from earlier years is just stupid. we all know that gaming as a buisness model has matured quite rapidly in the last few years. there are so many games out there its insane. its hard to find something that hasnt been done now. battlefield 3 might have failed for some. but i know plenty of people who love it. the difference today is that the market is way more diluted than it used to be. the problem as I see it, is that we arent progressing quite as fast anymore, it feels like a lot of games and companies are just rehasing old ideas, with new atwork, and gameplay changes that are little more than mods. while at the same time pushing the graphical limits. give me a large open world with networked physics please and multiplayer. with propper collision detection and fun action combat. (personally i prefer the action combat in a lot of asian japanese titles - rather than the clickfest of Diablo etc. )

Problem with making games today is that they require so much money. So only the biggest studios has the money to make tripple A titles like Battlefield 3 and Diablo 3.

So we will most likely see less small studios pop up with big titles similar to Minecraft.

But on the other hand a new gaming market has arrived and that is smart phones and tablets.

So we are evolving but not in the same way as we did before.

[Aelona]

give me a large open world with networked physics please and multiplayer. with propper collision detection and fun action combat. (personally i prefer the action combat in a lot of asian japanese titles - rather than the clickfest of Diablo etc. )

Lineage Eternal / Kingdom underfire 2 ?

[darknessjw]

Originally Posted by Rolfmario text

Yeah, sry i ofc meant that games get "dumbed down" while making them to console and then for PC, aka console ports.

- Small maps
- Easier game play (most of times when aimed to mass markets)
- More simplified game
- etc...

Originally Posted by ectomorph MMO's are almost the only genre still innovating in graphics thanks to shitty consoles from 2005-06

Well no, MMOs still look like old 2005 games, even new ones. So, yes thanks to consoles we still live in their graphics standards. Thanks to microsoft and sony by slowing down evolution if can use harsh words

[Rolfmario]

Originally Posted by darknessjw Yeah, sry i ofc meant that games get "dumbed down" while making them to console and then for PC, aka console ports. - Small maps - Easier game play (most of times when aimed to mass markets) - More simplified game - etc... Well no, MMOs still look like old 2005 games, even new ones. So, yes thanks to consoles we still live in their graphics standards. Thanks to microsoft and sony by slowing down evolution if can use harsh words

Depends on the type of the game. Fps gets dumbed down for consoles while rpgs gets dumbed down for pc.

[ectomorph]

Originally Posted by Rolfmario Except that MMOs is not innovating anything in graphics at all.

Dreamworld engine has already made it to DX11 (not in aoc tho) with tesselation and all the eyecandy settings you need.
It's also optimized for PC unlike console ported games.

[Rathothis]

Originally Posted by Rolfmario Depends on the type of the game. Fps gets dumbed down for consoles while rpgs gets dumbed down for pc.

Now I'm confused. I assume you meant the other way round - RPGs get dumbed down for consoles while FPSs get dumbed down for pc. Either that, or you have no idea of the complexity of pre-console era RPGs (good old days!).

[Misiuggah]

Originally Posted by Rolfmario And not to forget that PC players don't like asian RPGs. They are to hard and prefer easier more action oriented RPGs like Diablo and Baldurs Gate.

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[darknessjw]

Originally Posted by Rolfmario rpgs gets dumbed down for pc.

Haha, i read right? Well i cant take you seriously anymore after this statement