[Bibik]

The fact is the difficulty is somewhat appreciated on the group setup. It was the main issue with pre-nerf Pagoda when it required 2 priests (preferably ToS+PoM with HC) and even after the nerf, this issue is still prevalent, though less important.

Prior to the nerf (but after the first fix on Spew/Mental assault), we needed 2priest 1dt 1 guard 1AoE, with the two priests ubergeared/aa'd in heal rating (eyes of set>idol imo ).

I can do it at solo ToS now, with a good DPS setup.

Yesterday, we tried it with a similar setup excepted we took 2 picks up noobs barbs. We can't managed to kill the adds before one of the tanks dies (not counting also the Mental Assault drama on tanks).

So finally i think some of the HM are not overnerfed, but overall well-balanced. Sure with a "dream-team" you WTFPWN theses instances like Atzel's fortress, but if you have to change 1 player here, adding 1 alt here, healing without AA, tanking adds with a conq instead of a DT... it can changes the whole encounter !

[Nolenthar]

Originally Posted by Bibik The fact is the difficulty is somewhat appreciated on the group setup. It was the main issue with pre-nerf Pagoda when it required 2 priests (preferably ToS+PoM with HC) and even after the nerf, this issue is still prevalent, though less important. Prior to the nerf (but after the first fix on Spew/Mental assault), we needed 2priest 1dt 1 guard 1AoE, with the two priests ubergeared/aa'd in heal rating (eyes of set>idol imo ). I can do it at solo ToS now, with a good DPS setup. Yesterday, we tried it with a similar setup excepted we took 2 picks up noobs barbs. We can't managed to kill the adds before one of the tanks dies (not counting also the Mental Assault drama on tanks). So finally i think some of the HM are not overnerfed, but overall well-balanced. Sure with a "dream-team" you WTFPWN theses instances like Atzel's fortress, but if you have to change 1 player here, adding 1 alt here, healing without AA, tanking adds with a conq instead of a DT... it can changes the whole encounter !

Pagoda's mechanics are still barely known by some, and your mental assault drama just unlights it. 2 noob barbs are not responsible for that.

The only problem back in the day was the random spew at first, mental assault has never been random, and the mechanic is still the same. Just for some reason PUG have learnt to hug Po Sha on normal mode already so they have no idea what's happening with mental assault.
Hugging PO Sha is the big problem from start, if people knew that hugging him is not a solution for many class, it would have been easier from start.

However, prior to nerf, this fight was all about DPS. It's still all about dps, it's just less sensible now as the tank will die slower.

[Bibik]

We don't hug po-sha and i've never said that barbs are the reason why Mental assault hit sometimes our tanks.
It was fun facts, not very interesting arguing about that :o

[Ellesaar]

Originally Posted by tronkita What if you have a demo/necro/tos/... doing aoe splash damage to the 3 adds ? You need to agro the 3 adds, and yes, people needs to focus on animal handler first.

If you don't have 1 certain dps tanking 1 add , solution is dps rotating on the add they are tanking, know when to stop and when to use their skills, buffs.
Suicide dps aren't any good in this game.
You can still intervene and save them with goad or forced engage on the 3rd add.
Last but not least there's a reason conqs have battle rezz.

[magnum92]

I think that the less experienced players want everything on silverplate, when you say that you "wipe wipe and wipe", do you really think you are unique that way? The reason us "Exp-Hardcore" players IS experienced is because we have practiced, and the progression and result of strugglin, but getting better and better to finaly complete the instance, THATS the fun of instances. Dont think its gonna be fun when you have it on farm, its not.

It's been the same in every guild I have been in, the less exp players in the guild doesnt want to create own groups for example, they want to get carried by the players that already have the knowledge. Seems to be the same case here, people doesnt want to work for anything, just slack around thinking "it will be nerfed soon".

And by gear issues, some poeple have said in this thread that tanks are not geared enough... well again... look at this video of me and my friend tanking Pagoda BEFORE nerf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaxY...eature=related

This is with mixed Culture & Bluesteel. Before the nerf. So please there is a reason for calling them Hardmodes, it's something to progress into, not wait untill its nerfed.


And to the Posha Mentalassoult issue, try to have two players with range-dps (casters & Healers pref), and place them furthers away from posha, that will fix it.

[Nolenthar]

Originally Posted by magnum92 And to the Posha Mentalassoult issue, try to have two players with range-dps (casters & Healers pref), and place them furthers away from posha, that will fix it.

Come on you spoiled all the fun

[Calore]

Originally Posted by magnum92 I think that the less experienced players want everything on silverplate, when you say that you "wipe wipe and wipe", do you really think you are unique that way? The reason us "Exp-Hardcore" players IS experienced is because we have practiced, and the progression and result of strugglin, but getting better and better to finaly complete the instance, THATS the fun of instances. Dont think its gonna be fun when you have it on farm, its not. It's been the same in every guild I have been in, the less exp players in the guild doesnt want to create own groups for example, they want to get carried by the players that already have the knowledge. Seems to be the same case here, people doesnt want to work for anything, just slack around thinking "it will be nerfed soon". And by gear issues, some poeple have said in this thread that tanks are not geared enough... well again... look at this video of me and my friend tanking Pagoda BEFORE nerf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwaxY...eature=related This is with mixed Culture & Bluesteel. Before the nerf. So please there is a reason for calling them Hardmodes, it's something to progress into, not wait untill its nerfed. And to the Posha Mentalassoult issue, try to have two players with range-dps (casters & Healers pref), and place them furthers away from posha, that will fix it.

I share with you the opinion that wipe is the best way to learn.
I'm quite a recent player (started on february to play AoC) so I got T3 on farm status in my current guild, and I'm the first to say that, even having killed TA several times now, I will never be a T3 expert, since I've not wiped there enough.

But what was the real goal of your post, apart to show how good you are?

You keep talking about Pagoda, that even after nerf is still much more difficult than KK instances..

Come on guys, you know that last patches have just aligned the level of some instances to others, and fixed many wrong things.

We can all be happy now. You (and me too) can be proud of having completed most of HMs before nerf, and more important everybody with adequate level of gear and skill cqn now enjoy this content. Instead of just repeating the same 4-5 instances..

No need for more posts like "I'm great! I killed Posha nude and with The Rock weapon equipped!!"

[Bibik]

Originally Posted by magnum92 I And to the Posha Mentalassoult issue, try to have two players with range-dps (casters & Healers pref), and place them furthers away from posha, that will fix it.

Experienced many times Mental Assault on MT (on Po-Sha himself) so i would try to believe this, but just cant

[Nolenthar]

Originally Posted by Bibik Experienced many times Mental Assault on MT (on Po-Sha himself) so i would try to believe this, but just cant

but don't try, believe it, it's just true.

Experienced that on main tank ? one hint : casters were hugging boss as much as you. Place them at 3 meters away and problem solved, for ever.

Funnily enough I gave you hint before :

Originally Posted by Nolenthar Pagoda's mechanics are still barely known by some, and your mental assault drama just unlights it.

but :

Originally Posted by Bibik We don't hug po-sha and i've never said that barbs are the reason why Mental assault hit sometimes our tanks.

Magnum just revealed the secret, he spoiled the fun but at least now people can find it and learn that it's not random.

[Yawgmoth-VDN]

Originally Posted by Nolenthar Magnum just revealed the secret, he spoiled the fun but at least now people can find it and learn that it's not random.

secret??

the mental assault mechanic has been posted many times here and on testlive forum....