[Sobs]

Slith what i want is a list so i can select Guild X and se with they meat today and se how it gone, this week, this month and so, for example i can select COE vs Destiny this month.

Info something like this:
Guild X vs Y played 28games (this month)
Won 12 - 16
Kills 348 - 258
Flag scored 8 - 14
Totem destroyed 6 - 7

[kalston]

So you can't play without "rewards", eh?

Oh well, people just can't play for fun these days...

[Slith]

Originally Posted by kalston So you can't play without "rewards", eh? Oh well, people just can't play for fun these days...

have you ever consider getting reward a part of "fun"?
I sure do like it. Whats wrong with that?

[kalston]

What's wrong with that is that it leads to games where you character gets stronger the more you play which is fine in PvE but simply not acceptable in PvP (unless you like PvP being an absolute joke as is the case atm).

I have no problem with cosmetic rewards and the likes but I for one don't need them.

I've been playing plenty of games for years that don't offer any kind of reward (not even persistent stats!) and I never thought "well wtf is the point of playing?" because they are fun and I may even take them seriously and play serious matches every now and then.

People whined about gear being insignificant and as a result we have gear based PvP with tokens that you MUST farm if don't want to be useless. Great.

PvP shouldn't be PvE where the mobs are replaced by players that are just as easy to farm and offer rewards that will make your char stronger. (as is the case atm)

[Slith]

we will have to agree to disagree then

[Chigo]

Originally Posted by Slith It seems reward does matter, hence why arenas failed.

i dont think the arenas failed because of no reward, i think they failed because of having no ingame system to organize them. when people have to organize fights themself they simply dont bother.

that being said if premades v premades gives no reward at all its just plain stupid. they should at the very least give the same rewards as pug v pug.

Originally Posted by kalston So you can't play without "rewards", eh? Oh well, people just can't play for fun these days...

i dont think its the getting a reward that is the real problem. the problem is if the "real" pvp'ers ends up undergeared and underaa'ed just because they play premades instead of randoms. Premades is more competitive and harder than randoms and should as such give rewards too.

[kalston]

Originally Posted by Chigo i dont think the arenas failed because of no reward, i think they failed because of having no ingame system to organize them. when people have to organize fights themself they simply dont bother. that being said if premades v premades gives no reward at all its just plain stupid. they should at the very least give the same rewards as pug v pug. i dont think its the getting a reward that is the real problem. the problem is if the "real" pvp'ers ends up undergeared and underaa'ed just because they play premades instead of randoms. Premades is more competitive and harder than randoms and should as such give rewards too.

I don't disagree that premades should give the same rewards (because of the state the game is in right now), what I don't want to see and has been suggested here is different (new) rewards for more (new) gear.

[Monkeyy]

Premade vs premade should give more xp to promote people to do them, as for many they will be harder to win.

[Slith]

I don't want preferential treatment for premades either.

Same token reward, same xp as the rest of the minis

[Tellerion]

Originally Posted by Sobs Slith what i want is a list so i can select Guild X and se with they meat today and se how it gone, this week, this month and so, for example i can select COE vs Destiny this month. Info something like this: Guild X vs Y played 28games (this month) Won 12 - 16 Kills 348 - 258 Flag scored 8 - 14 Totem destroyed 6 - 7

I would love to see a ladder system like that too, including a overall score to see which guild actually does the most PvP with total kills, total wins, total loses etc.

Regarding the actual reward, it should include pvp xp and tokens, don't force people to team up with randoms in nowadays queue.

Edit: Just read the article, and it sounds to me, like their only going to launch a premade vs premade queue on the B&G server ...

Also noticed that most of the "new" stuff being launched with this server is taking steps back, disabling bori, activating pvp in underhalls/white sands etc.