@Nolenthar: Gattaca is a good example how little you need to make something worthy calling "sci-fi". ME does a lot more, but it all misses the idea of sci-fi going epic and loosing the detail. Mass effect, spaceships etc. are only devices used to tell a fantasy story with elves, dragons and sorcery. They just look different.
Yeah, I'm bashing at those legs like there's no tomorrow
In a typical sci-fi setting the technological advancement in more or less harmonious (i.e. - if we have robots, then we should have bionics) and if it isn't - there's an explanation to it (and an important part of the world creation - like power hungry military dominating the government etc.). Joker's health problems are funny in a world with spacetime travels and we don't get any hint why it's such a problem for an officer on a very important ship (it's no problem for his teammates to use sophisticated jedi implants sheeesh...). Based on other crappy moments in the game, I can suspect it was just written by ignorant people. Maybe I've read too many good books?
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Originally Posted by Nolenthar
However, Science Fiction or Science Fantasy, who really cares ? as long as the story is appealing and offer a good time. I definitely had a blast with Mass Effect, I had a blast with Star Wars story as well and I don't give a **** if Lightsaber are based on no real technology  |
Actually the story feels ridiculous and immature to me (all the characters are immature and unbelievable), so there's no redeeming qualities - the world is uninspired and the game is technically weak (neverending elevator travels AND loading screens on top of that, characters wearing the same armor and using the same weapons, you can't unequip unused weapons - the list is ****ing long). I expect the writer to be more smarter than me or more creative - I want to be amazed by his skills.
The game at the same time tries to be all serious and ****, while they treat the gamer like a 12-year old who will eat anything with lasers and skintight suits (even on old ladies). ME just doesn't deliver - I can weep for genocide victims in better games and movies.
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Well... you are of course right that neither Star Wars nor ME are "serious" sci-fi. But then, serious sci-fi usually is more of an essay on the human condition than a simple act of storytelling. Take for example books like Solaris and Fiasco by your great countryman Stanisław Lem - these novels (and quite a few of his short stories) basically are essays on how our ability to communicate is determined by our biological and cultural conditioning, which makes communication with the truly "alien" impossible.
I think this theme is very difficult to transplant into computer games, at least when there is direct interaction with alien races. ME1 actually did a pretty good job at it as regards the Protheans, while ME3 completely takes away the alien element by giving you a Prothean companion...
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That's the difference between sci-fi and fantasy for me - you can put any strange/magical **** into the world and it becomes fantasy (or magical realism or horror or...). But sci-fi is on the other side of spectrum and tries to ask questions, analyse, teach us something. I'm just dissapointed that such crappy sci-fi is now considered good. I also lost 4 euro on this game.
EDIT: yeah bithces, Black Isle/Troika/Obisidian for the win! Even Aplha Protocol wins the round with clever dialogue and plot even though it sucks technically and even game-play wise
These guys put out some crazy **** you rarely see in a game - even if they work Bioware's or others IP (NWN2:MotB, KOTOR II etc.).
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