[jauertussen]

hi as always im working on improving specs, and here is the question will one point in retaliation improve the hate generated by the buff itself do the same as two?(ofc the agro from getting hit will rose when target is hitting u and taking ticks) will points in improved retaliation do more agro from the buff it self(agein dont think about the ticks)
i always used 2 in it but if its only for doing a hate buff, use 1 point in it, then 3 in LH and one in Ruthless assualth, the hade bonus to gods steel is it affected by putting several points? in retaliation tree?

[Ieronon]

Hard to say.

Nothing in the tooltip says that hate would increase so I guess 1 point is as good as 2.

But nothing in the tooltip is said either about the GoDS aggro buff granted by improved retaliation.

BTW 1 or 2 points in retaliation would not grant GoDS a hate buff, it's the subsequent points (3 to 7) that would grant 1% hate each according to GoDS tooltip.

[jauertussen]

so i need to full spec it for best tank spec.
5% hate is alot

[tronkita]

With the 2 points of retaliation, you increase the damage of the retribution damage. If you feat the 5 points of improved retribution, you increase the damage & the duration of the buff.

Personally, i do not remember any difference in the aggro generated,
and the extra +5% of hate modifier granted by the improved retaliation, it is not docummented anywhere in the feat descriptions, and it is as useless as the +5% of bonus hate modifier that we got in the last mocking sneer revamp.

[jauertussen]

u see the bonus on ure GODS buff as i remeber it. so u need to keep it up

[graverr]

True,investing points in retaliation does not improve hate whatsoever,only the damage taken by target and the duration.But it definetely generates a little more agro because of the extra damage on it.

I personaly preffer to use it only as a taunt like an extra irritate when i am trying to grab or keep agro

[jauertussen]

i also use it as a agro grab tool, or to burst my agro for switch, this consern is only tanking wise. the 5 points from improved retaliation will give me 5% hate on GODS buff(witch i can keep active all time), the question is now if i will gain more hate generated by dps from devestate(5% hofs 45% BOA), i doubt it. dps is importent and no class in a raid shud be allowed to slack on it, so wanna be able to deal max dps and tank, this is mainly for t4 encounters.
the spec im fumbling with will be kind of like this.

http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...015-21,4013-21

the last point im not shure about so put it in scource

and yes a dead door is realy handy in t4.

[Ieronon]

I think that theoretically, 5% hate on GoDS will grant more aggro than 5 points in devastate. Someday I'll stop being too lazy to check on that... I hope.

Do you have positive feedback about Scourge ?

Anyway if you don't feat improved retaliation I don't see any reason to use GoDS in your rotation so Scourge would be lost anyway.

I know I like Angel of Fury very much in T3, does IF proc more easily "by itself" in T4 ? I guess on Sheng it does, can't tell for the other bosses.

[thomasy93]

Originally Posted by jauertussen i also use it as a agro grab tool, or to burst my agro for switch, this consern is only tanking wise. the 5 points from improved retaliation will give me 5% hate on GODS buff(witch i can keep active all time), the question is now if i will gain more hate generated by dps from devestate(5% hofs 45% BOA), i doubt it. dps is importent and no class in a raid shud be allowed to slack on it, so wanna be able to deal max dps and tank, this is mainly for t4 encounters. the spec im fumbling with will be kind of like this. http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...015-21,4013-21 the last point im not shure about so put it in scource and yes a dead door is realy handy in t4.

Hmm, a tank spec without Impervious defense?
It might be bugged for all I know, but it's 2 damn fine points to insert.
I currently use this for tanking on my conq; (Noodle)

http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...015-21,4013-21

[jauertussen]

the point in scource is the magic hits recived, is alot on emeperor never logged the ticks from DODS so dont know if its worth speccing in any situation(pve/pvp) or u need to spec improved throat slash to make it effective.
i dont realy need more melee mitrigation, but ofc the point can be spend there.
so a switch cud be removing devestate points into retaliation and one point from power feint and one in improved defence.