[Civilix]

Originally Posted by Buffarse (...)

So are you suggesting only tokens drops? For all raid content?

If that is the case i can agree that makes sense, with tokens only it will always be "fair" who gets gear. But the petition is about some items in some tiers.

It is not L2P that is the reason i am against buying everything for tokens in todays system. As i said, i dont mind lower tier items being sold in the money shop(like they are already doing with pvp gear).

What i am against is makeing the loot system more complex, as that will only bring more useless noise in the future. With some goodwill ockham's razor is as valid here as it is in science.

Just to clarify i think it is ok they added tokens for armor in lower tiers as it makes the loot system more equal for all raid tiers(a simple system is usualy good).

[Buffarse]

Originally Posted by Civilix So are you suggesting only tokens drops? For all raid content?

You have a number of choices

1. Keep it like it is
2. Introduce tokens for weapons
3. Remove random drops completely and only have token drops
4. Make everything craft only
5. Some mix and match of all of these

We already have tokens for all armour in game in every tier. We also have crafting for some weapons in some tiers for some classes. What we don't have is any other way to obtain T1 and T2 weapons other than blind luck random drops.

If you're asking me for a generalised comment on what I think should happen across all tiers then yes, I think everything being buyable with tokens is the way to go (and should always have been). As I've said already in this thread, Funcom used and still uses random drops as a content slowing function. It means they don't have to produce as much content as they otherwise would.

Buff

[blynd]

Originally Posted by Buffarse I had a ranger in my guild (no not Blynd) who was a pretty decent raider. He was a decent DPS, he seemed to know what he was doing and all was good. That was until he changed class and I realised that he'd done 40+ T3 raids by blind luck. He had no idea how ANY of the fights worked, not one. He was completely oblivious to it all and it led to endless raging from me and constantly shouting at him on vent while he wiped the raid time after time. So trying to suggest that random drops are the best approach to teach noobs is rubbish - you either want to LTP or you don't and no amount of random drops is going to change that. As I've said already, random drops are a very very poor way of doing loot. Tokenise them, set the tokens needed to 20 or something and be done with it. Buff

Phew I knew it couldn't be me as you said they did decent dps not sh!t dps

[Evito]

Originally Posted by Buffarse he'd done 40+ T3 raids by blind luck. He had no idea how ANY of the fights worked, not one. He was completely oblivious to it all and it led to endless raging from me and constantly shouting at him on vent while he wiped the raid time after time

So, just the average AoC player these days then?

[Ulysse-Ithaque]

I think, that it makes sense to allow unlucky people to get their weapon through an hard work.

+1 weapon buyable with relics

[Rathothis]

Originally Posted by Civilix What i am against is makeing the loot system more complex, as that will only bring more useless noise in the future. With some goodwill ockham's razor is as valid here as it is in science.

I don't see how a token system is bound to make loot distribution more complex, unless tokens are random drops - which defeats the very point of a token system. Sure, AoC has random token drops, but that goes back to what Buff said about the purpose of AoC's loot system.

[Civilix]

Originally Posted by Rathothis I don't see how a token system is bound to make loot distribution more complex, unless tokens are random drops - which defeats the very point of a token system. Sure, AoC has random token drops, but that goes back to what Buff said about the purpose of AoC's loot system.

The petition is not about going over to a pure token system, if it was i would have no problems supporting it.

[Thebluecave]

I think it is crazy that they have never made weapons a part of the "items for relics" system. I have more than 100 boss kills on my necro in tier 2 and I still haven't got the necro dagger on it. "Oh you have been unlucky on your rolls!" you might say. No actually not, the dagger has NEVER dropped when I was on my necro. I know this situation is probably very rare but trust me it was so frustrating.

I really cannot see how it will complicate the loot system more than it is (which is not complicated). It is just one more item following the same rules as the armor pieces. The only complicated thing would be to decide the price of a weapon.

It will not affect the balance of the game at all. You will still need to raid. You have to put in an effort and hopefully in the process LTP your toon and be prepared for the higher tier raiding. Besides that for now we are talking tier 1 and tier 2.

[Mellaus]

A relic system would be nice, with a vendor selling all T1, T2 and T3 weapons for the appropriate relics. Franckly, after 3-4 years, i'm still dreaming about that barb 2H axe for my conq.
Same for my tos, demo, barb, all missing some weapon, and franckly i think most veterans are in the same situation, at least those with more than 2 alts.

Well, that kind of change would be helpfull mainly for those old altoholics, not for players having 2-3 chars played actively, nor for new players because of the potential cost of weapons.

Anyways, we're just dreaming here, there's no way FC would implement such change, they can't even produce a decent monthly letter.

[cynara]

I think that adding weapons to the raid gear sellers in the reliquaries would be a great idea and wouldn't really make the loot system any more complicated than it's now. They should cost a bit more than e.g. a piece of chest or leg armor.