[Nolenthar]

Originally Posted by Drusillaz Today as well, we were doing some HM's and in my gut I knew that our DT was doing the most DPS. He was also our Main Tank. I was playing with my Hox. When he died (through no fault of his own), our dps noticeably got a lot slower.

3 months ago I was doing a Champion of the Honorguard fight, there was this DT, "BigJoe", he was very well geared and I just hitted level 80 with my Barbarian. I can swear in my gut he was doing twice my dps, that's just so wrong!

Nerf BigJoe please !

[ArcaneScientius]

Originally Posted by Nolenthar ... Nerf BigJoe please !

X-) +10 for this.

[Rathothis]

Originally Posted by Nolenthar Just keep in mind DT's favoured as well by the magic vulnerability, which makes it even worse in frenzy due to the magic damage multiplier.

Yep, that's (part of) what I meant to say.

Originally Posted by Nolenthar However, if you take a fight like Thoth Amon, DT will score in a range of 14-20 with competent dpser around. Generally only BS, Conq, and Guard will stand below, and dead/underskilled players.

I guess this shows how situational dps really is. TA is skewed towards casters since Phases 1 and 3 allow for spellweaving, plus stats will also include AoE damage to the snakes / Phase 2 adds. I know a very long time ago with Domus you tended to point out the damage done only to TA in Phase 3, which probably is a much better indicator of the contribution of an individual raid member (but of course, these stats are situational as well, as different classes have different thresholds for single target dps in relatively static fights).

[mrhood]

When 2 dt's top dps parse in tier 3 raids with tanking specks i find it wrong. Dosnt matter if the other players in that raid are new to the game or something. It just shouldnt be possible for an tank to overdps a dps class.

Nerf Vom and give dt more agro abilities instead. Or atleast give vom less crits in defensive then in frency

Even i can make top dps in raids on my dt, and i play every 2 month

[kinginyellow]

Originally Posted by PutchPT i also forgot to mention that the game's combat log (used for the stats) doesn't report everything that happens (all the damages, all the casts, etc).... and, by the way, did t3 yesterday (day 3), and checked the stats to find myself along other barbs and sins in the middle of the table in dps, while every tank (guard, dt, conq) was below us and, top dps was to mages + tos...everyone had at least t2 gear (i use t1 axe )

Putch, I guess you are referring to the upper floor TAS raid we were together yesterday. You need to take into account a few more things when looking at a parse. For example yesterday we did only Louhi, Keeper and Thoth. During Louhi the DTs were all the time on Louhi, which means they were fighting against the 90% damage reduction shield while at the same time the mages were dpsing the phylacteries. On keeper they were fighting the adds and when the add died they were waiting for the next one while the mages were dpsing keeper after they had killed the artifact. At Thoth one DT was on puzzles and the other one was a backup for when one of the puzzle team members was teleported up.

[Nolenthar]

Originally Posted by mrhood When 2 dt's top dps parse in tier 3 raids with tanking specks i find it wrong. Dosnt matter if the other players in that raid are new to the game or something. It just shouldnt be possible for an tank to overdps a dps class.

I agree, let's give automatic attack, a dps similar for the unskilled players and the experienced players (easy if you only include 2 main attack for each class, and a cooldown not allowing you to press a different ability), and let's get rid of those veterans able to push out the best on their class.

I'm tired of ToS or PoM doing 3K Dps on TA just because they are good.

All hail to the noobs !

Ah and while you're at it, here is how a game should work !

Tank takes damage, dps close to 0 ! Taunting abilities to grab the mob but that's pretty much it.
Healer heals tank, dps close to 0 ! Heal bot ftw !
Dps do damage ! FFS you really think I levelled a DPS to see healers and tanks do damage !?!? Neva !

[Misiuggah]

Originally Posted by mrhood When 2 dt's top dps parse in tier 3 raids with tanking specks i find it wrong. Dosnt matter if the other players in that raid are new to the game or something. It just shouldnt be possible for an tank to overdps a dps class.

Lolwut? What kind of logic is that? If someone stands still, but is a dps class - he still should have better dps than a tank?

I can overdps any noob on any class and in **** gear. Does that mean all classes are OP?

Originally Posted by mrhood Even i can make top dps in raids on my dt, and i play every 2 month

You either play with slackers/noobs, or you use a dps spec and that means you're not a tank anymore and a nuisance to the whole raid

I admit - it's piss easy to dps on DT, but only among noobs. DT is just the most noob class for PvE since RotGS came out.

[Polski]

DT`s? Don`t make me laugh!

[graverr]

Same old same.People are nubs l2p bla bla bla .tanks have the lowest dps in game but the rest of the classes are only played by nubs.Perfect explanation.Funny that in other games a good tank is a tank that can tank and they can never dps anything but hey this is AoC only the pros play Dark Templars and the nubs play the rest of the classes and funny how all the players playing a DT are pros.I mean we all saw nub demos,necros,sins,rangers,barbs that cannot dps for *** but strangely enough all the DTs are pro because we yet have to see that dt that cannot dps.

And funny how these so called selfproclaimed pro DTs only need some wisdom+magic damage gear,ibis,decisive/pressing strikes + vom to do an insane ammount of dps while the so called dps classes need much more AA,good gear and an extremely good knowldege of the class to be able to the job they were ment to do and actually beat these "pros" .Funcom should add that in the description of classes tbh.

REally DT must be the only class played entirely by PRO players in the history of mmos since not every single dt i ever saw(and i saw a shitload tbh)had/did/applied bad dps.Not to mention that Dts are never slackers while the slacking is a very common disease amongs all the other dps classes,i mean that's why someone rolls a dps class oviously,to slack.

So after all this time we finnaly discovered the problem at the base of the broken class balance,SLACKING.The only reason why classes are unballanced is because for some unknown reason all the nonslackers and pro players roll DTs and all the slackers/cripples/noobs roll DPS classes.Unfortunately even guardians and brute conquerors and bear shamans are also slackers .Why are you slackers why?Don be slackers and do as much dps as DTs,all you need to do is don't slack

[kinginyellow]

Originally Posted by Misiuggah I admit - it's piss easy to dps on DT, but only among noobs. DT is just the most noob class for PvE since RotGS came out.

I disagree at least as far as tanking is involved. Tanking with a DT is very demanding skillwise. If you don't know how the class works you'll make a very bad tank. Sure, one can tank the nerfed hms or t2 easily if he has the gear and AAs and then brag about being on top of the parser at the same time but pull that trick in Arbanus, Gyas or Thoth and you are a very dead dt very soon. The problem is that the class is very powerful but you need to be a good player to harness that power. Whenever I tank with a DT and I see that he locks aggro on him without having the survivability to back that aggro up I just let him die and then tank it myself.