[Fluffah]

I recently started running with this build:

http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...416-15,2411-11

So far I'm having good success with it. I originally ran with this build but with Stone Hide instead of increased Internal Bleed damage, however I just found it to be a waste of a lot of points for an ability that is always on CD... And I picked up Ether theft to help with keeping mana up, especially against mana-drain DT's.

[Concobhar]

Hi guys,

I would love some feed back on my current PVE builds.
They only focus on damange, because i am normally playing with a Guardian and need 0 survivalbility . It also should be a good support build for Inis. (damage is also support imo )

I was running this build, which included CotR and CoL, just to get to Mutilation. I understand that CotR gives a great dmg bonus so, but is it worth to waste 5 points on CoL just to get to Mutilation? I am not that convinced, so I was thinking of leaving CotR in it but going bloodthirst in order to get to Rampage like that
Now the question is, do i really waste those 5 points on CoL and how good is bloodthirst (any numbers pls)? I know its the only combo for bs to attack from the left side.
Does it make much sense as well to spend more than 1 point on it? Already now with ether theft, i feel like i have "too many" combos to use them all in a normal fight...
I have specced WotW in the second alternative build which should boot dmg as well.

[Invino]

Bloodthirst is rubbish .. its so bad, I doubt anyone has numbers to show.

BS has no left side combos , you can remove the lower left button from ui (this was asked for btw)

I don't like mutilation, partly due to cost, partly I found it forced me to use IB far too often.

[Concobhar]

Originally Posted by Invino Bloodthirst is rubbish .. its so bad, I doubt anyone has numbers to show. BS has no left side combos , you can remove the lower left button from ui (this was asked for btw) I don't like mutilation, partly due to cost, partly I found it forced me to use IB far too often.

Thanks a lot Invino for your input.
Hmm, ok, you gave me something to think about now.

I already wanted to remove the button anyway already, but thx for the reminder.

How can FC not fix all that in 4 years?! I came back to AOC after nearly 2 years of break...

So basically, if you want CoR and don't care about bubbles, something like THIS whereas you can swap a points here and there to pimp some manifestation, BoN or RoR.

I just thought it makes sense to pimp Internal Bleed as you normally keep it on CD to get those nice vision effects started, right? (switching the maifestations before of course )

[Misiuggah]

1. No Mutilation = no dps. You can debate what to do between IBs, but it has to run every 10s.

2. Bloodthirst is ****, long cooldown (45s?) and crappy heal on single target fights (130 per hit?).

3. CotR is a secondary dps feat - Rampage and Mutilation are more important.

4. Rune of Regrowth is laughable if you have Sleuth of Bears or Empowered Mending.

5. No use for ET if you don't put all 3 points in it.

http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...437-11,2435-14 - this is a slightly modified build you've posted. You can take CotR instead of BoN for more melee support (I use bon for raid kiting ).

[Yawgmoth-VDN]

i use this spec with my bs, and i think my dps is not too bad...

just keep the manifestations up all the time, use ib, ca & ub when available and sb only when everything else is on cd...
one more thing is: don't spam the blue heal, but try to use it only when it's going to expire...

[Misiuggah]

Originally Posted by Yawgmoth-VDN one more thing is: don't spam the blue heal, but try to use it only when it's going to expire...

Weapon damage bonus lasts 15s.

[Kandur]

I just preload bloodflow right after each IB starter. It scales with timing perfectly.

[Yawgmoth-VDN]

Originally Posted by Misiuggah Weapon damage bonus lasts 15s.

thanks for the reminder!! so, i should rephrase my sentence with something like "don't spam the blue heal, but try to use it only a few seconds before it's going to expire"...

Originally Posted by Kandur I just preload bloodflow right after each IB starter. It scales with timing perfectly.

nice hint!! i'll give it a try!!

[Krania]

On different test I've done, I find my dps highter using CotR, than mutilation. In fact I didn't see a really good dps improve with mutilation, and it is very expensive with useless CoL...
And when you do group pve, cotr boost group damage and help tanks to have a bettre aggro. And for all posted template, I find scarred hid useless in pve, where you don't often take damage...
for bloodflow, my tip is to cast renewal right after it, and when renewal cooldown is of it's ok for a new blood flow !
Actually I use this buid for pve raid :
http://aoc.yg.com/feat-planner?class...437-11,2435-14