[Rookni]

Also matches against same standing opponent count before alphabetical and also a total amount of goals scored count before it and also a total amount of conceeded goals count before it and also siegewins should be counted and also total guildmembers and guild with most chars starting on W should be on top and also number of statues in guildcity should count towards the list and also number of shards in the guildbank and also guildmembers with Painted Bandana and also Ghost Busters deserve a Oscar!

GJ Maero A good overview

[Nolenthar]

Originally Posted by redevil82 No it isn't as CoE and Destiny have the same number of kills and C comes before D iirc. Also with this method you would have to keep changing the order around as guilds progress which is pretty annoying for admin. HoC is not a raid instance and loot there is pointless...

It doesn't take a genius to understand how the thread is ordered, from the most kills and first cleaning of the whole place (or first last kill) to the less kill etc.

And I know, that sucks to not be the thread holder, but no worries we had to deal with your stubbornness for quite a while so you should at least prove comprehensive but seriously should a fuss be made about everything ?

About Lurker, I'm afraid that's the only raid boss COE have not killed yet, way to go guys

[redevil82]

Originally Posted by Nolenthar It doesn't take a genius to understand how the thread is ordered, from the most kills and first cleaning of the whole place (or first last kill) to the less kill etc. And I know, that sucks to not be the thread holder, but no worries we had to deal with your stubbornness for quite a while so you should at least prove comprehensive but seriously should a fuss be made about everything ? About Lurker, I'm afraid that's the only raid boss COE have not killed yet, way to go guys

How does it suck not to be a thread holder? That makes no sense at all... Lurker is not a progress target end of story, no guild schedules HoC raids to clear, while all will attempt the raid instances if able. Just because Destiny has 7 raid days a week and had time to go kill some random boss in a social dungeon doesn't make it something that can be considered raid 'progression'.

[cynara]

Originally Posted by redevil82 How does it suck not to be a thread holder? That makes no sense at all... Lurker is not a progress target end of story, no guild schedules HoC raids to clear, while all will attempt the raid instances if able. Just because Destiny has 7 raid days a week and had time to go kill some random boss in a social dungeon doesn't make it something that can be considered raid 'progression'.

I definitely consider Lurker to be a progress target -- it is by all accounts a highly nontrivial boss encounter that requires more or less an entire raid to kill. Why the heck should it matter what sort of dungeon it's located in?

Just because *you* lost interest in AoC and pretty much stopped raiding entirely doesn't mean that suddenly a raid boss can't be considered raid progression any more.

[Nwardezir]

Originally Posted by redevil82 Just because Destiny has 7 raid days a week

This progression raid week happened ONCE over the past 4 years.
Our usual raiding schedule is here.
Maybe you'd better stfu about telling things about a guild you don't know sh1t.

Originally Posted by redevil82 and had time to go kill some random boss in a social dungeon doesn't make it something that can be considered raid 'progression'.

Also wrong, we were killing Lurker before this special "raiding week" you seem to have hard time to swallow.

*You* consider it's not raid progression, *you* enforce that on *your* thread. But any raider from any guild that tried and/or succeed in killing Lurker is perfectly aware how hard it is, how a raid encounter it is, requiring dedication, time, teamwork from all players.

It's a raid encounter, period. Everything else is bullsh1ting, claiming it's not raid, just because it's in an open instance is only making you laughable.

Now, to get back on topic, even if there's gonna be a bunch of morons thinking I can only agree because it's Maero who's maintaining it (haha, proves only how bad you know him and me) ... yeah, I like the way this thread is build.

Because if I'm searching a raiding guild (and trust me, the idea crossed my mind fukc1n plenty times over the past 4 years) ... yes, this is something I'd like to find. Something crystal clear, with links, achievements, bots and contacts.

If tomorrow there's a guild that kills something relevant that Destiny don't kill, it will be putted on top of list I guess.
And the day after tomorrow, if I leave Destiny, I'll prolly be applying at this guild.

[Chass-]

Originally Posted by Nwardezir Our usual raiding schedule is here.

DAMN DUDE! 5 days a week? Maero must be hungry for that loots!

[Nwardezir]

Originally Posted by Chass- DAMN DUDE! 5 days a week? Maero must be hungry for that loots!

Dunno, don't care, don't even remember who you are.
I'm not his secretary, ask him directly, use PM.

[Stinga]

Originally Posted by redevil82 No it isn't as CoE and Destiny have the same number of kills and C comes before D iirc. Also with this method you would have to keep changing the order around as guilds progress which is pretty annoying for admin. HoC is not a raid instance and loot there is pointless...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKJRPPA6NBQ

[Misiuggah]

Yeah, bring moar drama

Sidenote: what's up with the language? The guilds with empty column don't speak?

In Black Dragons, we speak Polish most of the time, but we have a few people from Germany, Italy, Croatia etc. and raids are multilingual since some time (T2-T4). We are PL based, but we try to catch up

[maero]

Originally Posted by Misiuggah what's up with the language?

I only mentioned the primary language used by people in guild if different from English, I thought it would be a valuable information for someone who doesn't want to have to listen to a Polish raid leader if the only language he understands is French for example.