[Tyyr]

Originally Posted by borystakieimie maybe in 0,4 sec? Most of rangers are actually free prey if you reach them. In pugs it is easy. But if team is cooperating properly and there is instant focus at reaver barb when he goes too far - barb will be just farmed. From my little experience - hybrid barb is much worse option in premades than classic berserker who can survive more , has a lot of cc's , arcane fully feated but much less dps. Hybrid = awesome for duels and farming pugs.

Ofc if the other team focus u, u will die,but its like that with every other class. I played some premades and sometimes killing the ranger on the other team was my job and i never realy had a big problem doing it, unless all of their team was blocking my way to him.

And i think berserker is alot worse then reaver barb atm. Yes u have a little better survability and one more kb, but it dont weight up for the massive drop in dps. The main reason berserker barb last longer in premades is because the opposite team dont see u as a threat and dont focus u.

[borystakieimie]

i dont agree

[graverr]

So let me get this straight.Rangers are op because they kill you while you are fighting someone else?

[Tyyr]

Originally Posted by graverr So let me get this straight.Rangers are op because they kill you while you are fighting someone else?

Yea they are OP because of their range, if they had melee range they would be more balanced.

[borystakieimie]

if ranged classes would have been missing more when staying at very long distance it would be more interesting

[Touchii]

Originally Posted by Tyyr Yea they are OP because of their range, if they had melee range they would be more balanced.

the only thing is what the most of the people are missing is that the ranger class doesnt have enough melee combos to be reliable, if the class had those and ofcource with combination of diffrent feat trees then I would say yes, but however the design doesnt make the class reliable in close combat,the idea is good but then you need to revamp the whole game and all classes to give those diffrent feat trees, to be honest that will never happen.

[Touchii]

Another thing, ranger is the most hated class in all mmo's because of the range ( I know that doesnt mean anything ) the cc's, the gear and speed makes the class deadly in pvp,, I wish Funcom could look to what arenanet did with teh ranger in gw2 and make if similiar, that would be fun but that wont happpen.

[graverr]

Originally Posted by Touchii Another thing, ranger is the most hated class in all mmo's because of the range ( I know that doesnt mean anything ) the cc's, the gear and speed makes the class deadly in pvp,, I wish Funcom could look to what arenanet did with teh ranger in gw2 and make if similiar, that would be fun but that wont happpen.

If anyone wants to play some gay elf shoting rainbows and butterflies instead of arrows will go play gw2 or one of the 1 billion asian mmos out there.There is no place for such .... in AoC.

Originally Posted by Touchii the only thing is what the most of the people are missing is that the ranger class doesnt have enough melee combos to be reliable, if the class had those and ofcource with combination of diffrent feat trees then I would say yes, but however the design doesnt make the class reliable in close combat,the idea is good but then you need to revamp the whole game and all classes to give those diffrent feat trees, to be honest that will never happen.

People need to stop crying they want rangers easy to catch.Its just dumb.Rangers fighting mechanics makes them useless in pvp.Combos are too long,they can be interupted,they have 2 los checks and every kid that can press shift and make a circle around the ranger before pushing the finisher will make the ranger waste 80% of its shots.

I have an ideea,why not make the ranger like a strawman,once you target a ranger he will be unable to move and fight,just sit there untill u kill it.§But i bet that the guys already Qq will still be unable to kill them,they will still focus guards on defence and will cry for another ranger nerf soon enough.People saying ranger is easy to kill still did not convince them they are just very bad at pvp.

[Touchii]

I am not talking in terms of looks of races, I am talking in terms of the skills that rangers have in GW thats what makes them good and also hated in pvp, I recal the ranger in the first guild wars. ppl were crying so much that arenanet nerfed the class and left other classes alone, atleast rangers in gw2 have the skills that you can use in every situation.

[Vehl]

Originally Posted by graverr they have 2 los checks and every kid that can press shift and make a circle around the ranger before pushing the finisher will make the ranger waste 80% of its shots.

Circle straffing a ranger is useless. If he can't ame for a miliseconde the guy at melee range he's really bad. Circle straffing a caster is possible ... but a ranger no way.

But i don't think rangers are that op atm. Taking the shot is silly and rangers are frustrating because they can runaway and survive easily but most of them aren't a great asset for their team and if players focused less melees only they wouldn't have such an easy time.

However when you stack rangers in open world it is imbearable