[cins]

Starting with T3, there's no such thing as epeen order for raids and anyone who thinks order of names on the parser is a valid concern is a muppet (as has been said).

What you're looking for is class dps order on strawman. If you're at high levels of skill and equipment it goes more or less:
1) pet necro/dps templar
2) assassin
3) hox/demo/unpetful necro
4) ranger/tos/dps barb/dps conq
5) notthatdps barb/pom
6) tank templar
7) bear
8) tank conq
9) guard

Which is also a pointless list because (far as PVE goes) if you can manage to defeat most to all 85 Paikang bosses yourself, then you're someone good enough to not care about what some silly parse says. Specifically, managing to somehow kill Dark Legion Commander and escorts alone (doesn't count if someone else killed soldiers and died before you got there) means you're an exceptional player who's pretty much good enough to do any sort of existing PvE with a bit of practice.

In short, parses are only good for checking how your latest build/rotation/item/perk/etc works compared to old one.

[Chaoskult]

ah there we go.. heroen opened the e-peen game! didn't take long

[Rookni]

I oneshot Tortage mobs

Thats just as relevant when comparing DPS as T3!

[-Legend-]

Thread made me lol.

I don't think that was the point of it though sadly.

Kthxbai.

[Buffarse]

Originally Posted by Chaoskult i wouldn't allow dps spec dt's to raid in high tiers. only as fluffer. they die from over dpsing anyway.

We regularly took a DPS DT on our T3 raids in Sanctuary back in the day. He was a bit of an anomaly though as he was exceptional on every class he played. He would regularly push 2k+ for a T3 raid and still do some tanking on top. I agree though in general you wouldn't but the exceptions do exist.

Buff

[Uman]

Originally Posted by cins Starting with T3, there's no such thing as epeen order for raids and anyone who thinks order of names on the parser is a valid concern is a muppet (as has been said). What you're looking for is class dps order on strawman. (...) In short, parses are only good for checking how your latest build/rotation/item/perk/etc works compared to old one.

This.

Too many variables in raid.

I will only speak for my class (conq) and say that we can deal between 1600-1700 quite easily as carny, and around 1000-1100 as brute. Some of us may do better than that but I'm talking about average dps (on strawman of course).

[redevil82]

Ahh the memories, <3 my 2008 OP

The main point of the thread back then was the imba in single target damage which still exists meaning rouges do lower single target dmg than the AoE Mage classes which is wrong imo.

I disagree though that parses are no longer relevant in T3 and above because they show how well each person (not class) has applied their damage to the situation. I allows you to spot patterns and gaps in dmg between the same class and allows you to find the 'sweet spot' for each fight that evey class should learn.

Sweet spot is how to be the most effective you can be, as a ToS the first thing I try to find out is does this fight need super high healing or is it more DPS and a bit of healing or full out dps.

Then I find the best gear and perks for it and try to contribute as much damage as I can without dying and without anyone else dying due to lack of heals.

Now the top tier fights are pretty good at making player skill the determining factor for good dps rather than the class. Yes DPS DTs with VoM do insane dmg but they will also die fast unless played by a very good player.

[jauertussen]

Originally Posted by Chaoskult ah, new opportunity for some classic epeen. i wouldn't allow dps spec dt's to raid in high tiers. only as fluffer. they die from over dpsing anyway. Sins sure are a very high dps class. old pom was good dps, i have no idea how they are now after revamp. tos can be very good dps but since the dawn of age we suffer from inexistent minus hate and that limits our actions. necros sure are a very high dps class. barbs can be very useful in many ways, dps is one the things barbs are good at. shammy can be also nice dps but i'd think healing would come first. rangers are good dps. cabbage conq very good dps. brute not so good. dps guard is nice dps but same thing with dt, can't allow guards in dps spec in raids. rarely even see dps guards.. well played hox is excellent dps, very nice. demo is good is good, what more to say. always been good. how to say if your raid has good dps? can your raid kill louhi before his damage shield with a rather balanced raid? if you can then you don't need to worry about anything.

lol u drunk i read ure post and gained absolutly nothing. u say guard pole good dps, now u use good in nearly all classes, so demo is also good dps u mean demo and guard same dps then

[Chaoskult]

you saying that any of the classes can do good dps? and whats your point?

please, you describe the classes since you seem to know how to do it proberly and what fancy gay words to use.

and if i was drunk, but i doubt that i was considering that i posted at 10 o'clock in the morning.. though i might have been hungover.. has nothing to do with anything.

[jauertussen]

agein in specific raids yes the order is correct.

but alot of thoes dps numbers ppl get on there classes it due to pared with other classes, like pet necro old pom hc.

or depending on debuffs from other classes here DT benefits alot.

now not that ill say my conc is better dps then ure listed but beating the strawman solo i belive it can do much better then in raids simply becours the class debuffs everything it self. also alot of figths where u have to move out or stop dps shortly conc agein suffers becours its buffs fast run out and and ure dps is back to 0.

in my opinion the first boss in t2 is best place to test solo target dps. and here ill say conc can be 3 best class. im also curius why alot dont put sin top, i belive its higher then dt just rare to see a sin go full nuke since he will kill himslef within 10 sec. nobody can keep agro if he goes flat out.